User:Silsor/fanmail

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This is a collection of emails I have received regarding Wikipedia.

Contents 1 Emails from User:Plautus satire 1.1 The original email 1.2 My response 1.3 Plautus on Wikipedia:Administrators 1.4 And his explanation of the last email 1.5 I don't think he gets it 1.6 WHITE MAN FROM TOWN SAYS TAKE IT OFF. 1.7 More asking to be unblocked 1.8 Plautus gets impatient 1.9 I tell Plautus the block is done 1.10 Plautus refutes "that idiot Roadrunner's claims" 1.11 I reply 1.12 BLACK HOLE IS DEAD, FOOL. UNBAN ME. 1.13 Plautus defends his edit to Ilan Ramon 1.14 Two days later 2 Email from User:Ollieplatt 3 Email from User:Adam Carr

[edit] Emails from User:Plautus satire

Emails from Plautus Satire are in chronological order. Some of his lines are incomplete; this is because he typed them too long and they got cut off by his mail server. I originally thought that username blocks expire like IP blocks; but I discovered this was not true and decided to keep my original intention by unblocking him after 24 hours. I notified him of this about three emails down but didn't keep a copy. silsor 00:56, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The original email

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Date:   Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:54:19 +0000
From: Plautus Satire <plautus@shaw.ca>
Subject: what a load of crap
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"Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Silsor. The reason given is
+this:
spams message boards with same material, deleted comments on talk pages,
+deliberately trolled under another IP"

This is a bunch of shit. I did not delete comments on talk pages except for my
+own, and yesterdy I deleted from my own user page only because I thought was
+mine. What is this fucking bullshit? I have never witnessed this kind of
+gangbanging crap in my entire life. Spamming message boards? I had this guy
+giving me the same retorts over and over, did he expect a different response to
+his same logical fallacies? What a load of shit. Honestly, you need to get that
+ring out of your nose. Maybe check the page histories. And don't be so
+reactionary just because somebody gets their feelings hurt. It's about teh
+information not about the personalities, and a couple people have already made
+it known they just don't like me and are going to jump on anything I post. And
+trolled under another IP? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I have cable
+internet I have the same IP every time unless my modem gets unplugged which it
+has NOT.

This is twice in two days now that I've been banned. I apologized for coming on
+so strong, but who the fuck is that guy (only an IP no ID, why is that?)
+deciding since he agrees with the other version that it's okay to delete my
+version without discussing it on the talk board? I posted that I was going to
+make the change, and when it was changed all that was said was some lame
+semantic argument about the definition of gamma bursts not being high-energy
+gamma rays. Please give me a goddamned break, this is insane. You can check my
+history of contributions and see I am no troll or vandal or whatever the fuck
+all you lifers call people you disagree with and want to get rid of. I started
+contributing to wikipedia because I feel I have knowlege to contribute, not
+slam-fests or races to edit the same page, this is bullshit. Why is the
+"newcomer" here getting the shitty end of the stick? Is everybody perfect in
+their first contribution? Ever hear of a learning curve? Just like when I
+though

[edit] My response

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To: Plautus Satire <plautus@shaw.ca>
Cc: jbonham@mail.utm.utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: what a load of crap
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2004 at 03:54:19AM +0000, Plautus Satire wrote:
> "Your user name or IP address has been blocked by Silsor. The reason given is
+this:
> spams message boards with same material, deleted comments on talk pages,
+deliberately trolled under another IP"
>
> This is a bunch of shit. I did not delete comments on talk pages except for my
+own

Here is the edit where you deleted Reddi's comment from Talk:Albert
Einstein:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk:Albert_Einstein&diff=2383255&old
+id=2383243

> and yesterdy I deleted from my own user page only because I thought was mine.

That's fine, but some people don't take too kindly to people who are
coming under legitimate criticism simply trying to erase the complaints
against them without responding.

> What is this fucking bullshit? I have never witnessed this kind of gangbanging
+crap in my entire life. Spamming message boards? I had this guy giving me the
+same retorts over and over, did he expect a different response to his same
+logical fallacies? What a load of shit. Honestly, you need to get that ring out
+of your nose.  Maybe check the page histories.

I think this is why you seem to be unable to rationally discuss issues
with other users.  I have been checking the page histories, and especially
the talk page histories.  You are unable to hold a conversation without
loading up with insults, rhetoric and hatred.  Don't expect to be
unblocked if you can't discuss issues in a reasonable manner.

> And don't be so reactionary just because somebody gets their feelings hurt.
+It's about teh information not about the personalities, and a couple people
+have already made it known they just don't like me and are going to jump on
+anything I post. And trolled under another IP? What the fuck is that supposed
+to mean? I have cable internet I have the same IP every time unless my modem
+gets unplugged which it has NOT.

As to trolling under another IP, I made a mistake.  You actually trolled
under the same IP.  Here is the relevant edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Ilan_Ramon&dummy=1&diff=2159982&oldid
+=2139434

> This is twice in two days now that I've been banned. I apologized for coming
+on so strong, but who the fuck is that guy (only an IP no ID, why is that?)
+deciding since he agrees with the other version that it's okay to delete my
+version without discussing it on the talk board? I posted that I was going to
+make the change, and when it was changed all that was said was some lame
+semantic argument about the definition of gamma bursts not being high-energy
+gamma rays. Please give me a goddamned break, this is insane. You can check my
+history of contributions and see I am no troll or vandal or whatever the fuck
+all you lifers call people you disagree with and want to get rid of. I started
+contributing to wikipedia because I feel I have knowlege to contribute, not
+slam-fests or races to edit the same page, this is bullshit. Why is the
+"newcomer" here getting the shitty end of the stick? Is everybody perfect in
+their first contribution? Ever hear of a learning curve? Just like when I
+though

Anonymous users have the same privileges as logged in users.  Note that
you yourself didn't have a user name until a while after you began
editing.  I don't really care which one of you is right and I haven't
followed the technical side of any of your debates.  In fact, I
protected one of the pages you were engaged in an edit war on on *your*
side of the story.  The issue of your blocking is your ability to
participate in an open project, not the quality of your knowledge.

Regards,
--
Jeff Bonham
jbonham@mail.utm.utoronto.ca
PGP Public Key ID: BA289747

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[edit] Plautus on Wikipedia:Administrators

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Date:   Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:25:16 +0000
From: Plautus Satire <plautus@shaw.ca>
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators
Sysops can block and unblock IP addresses. This is meant to be used solely to
+deal with persistent vandalism. IP banning is <b>not meant to be used against
+unpopular opinions, non-persistent vandalism, etc</b>.

[edit] And his explanation of the last email

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Date:   Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:32:49 +0000
From: Plautus Satire <plautus@shaw.ca>
Subject: ban
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators
Sysops can block and unblock IP addresses. This is meant to be used solely to
+deal with persistent vandalism. IP banning is <b>not meant to be used against
+unpopular opinions, non-persistent vandalism, etc</b>.

This was a clearly bogus ban and you know it. I was banned yesterday for having
+unpopular knowlege, and today I am banned for the same thing. If you do a
+review of the page histories you'll see I'm right. I had stopped trying to edit
+the entries for gravastar and black hole once I realized one had been
+protected, and sought to convince that guy to stop deleting the factual
+information I had inserted into them. Why is he right and I'm wrong? Because I
+changed what was there? SO DID HE. WHAT IS THIS HYPOCRISY? Let me guess, you
+believe in black holes? Then discuss it in the talk page LIKE I WAS DOING.
+Spamming the talk page? Give me a break, it's there to catch spam and I can
+easily delete my own posts to there when I feel they're too noisy WHICH I HAVE
+DONE ON SOME TALK PAGES, CONDENSED MY EARLIER POSTS. And this guy sheikyerbooty
+what the fuck, he has been hounding me for two days because I deleted his
+entries on a page I THOUGHT I owned and I am SORRY for that because I have seen
+AD

[edit] I don't think he gets it

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In reply to:
>Here is the edit where you deleted Reddi's comment from Talk:Albert
>Einstein:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=3DTalk:Albert_Einstein&diff=3D23=
>83255&oldid=3D2383243

If I did it was a mistake or maybe I did it out of frustration of answering the
+same question over and over.

>> and yesterdy I deleted from my own user page only because I thought was m=
>ine.
>That's fine, but some people don't take too kindly to people who are
>coming under legitimate criticism simply trying to erase the complaints
>against them without responding.

His criticisms were not legitimate, he claimed I was plagiarizing (obviously a
+kneejerk reaction to my claim against Einstein) by describing a book in a
+similar fashion to a review of the same book. Wow, two summaries of the same
+book using similar words. How astonishing and diabolical. Give me a break. I
+didn't feel the need to respond to it since it was on my user page.

>> What is this fucking bullshit? I have never witnessed this kind of gangba=
>nging crap in my entire life. Spamming message boards? I had this guy givin=
>g me the same retorts over and over, did he expect a different response to =
>his same logical fallacies? What a load of shit. Honestly, you need to get =
>that ring out of your nose.  Maybe check the page histories.
>I think this is why you seem to be unable to rationally discuss issues
>with other users.  I have been checking the page histories, and especially
>the talk page histories.  You are unable to hold a conversation without
>loading up with insults, rhetoric and hatred.  Don't expect to be
>unblocked if you can't discuss issues in a reasonable manner.

Wow, I respond this way to an unjust IP ban and you cite it as evidence that I
+should have been banned. Give me a break, that's entrapment. Give me one good
+reason (other than sucking up) that I should be respectful to you after you
+just banned me for no good reason? I had plenty of people insulting me in a
+backhanded fashion, why aren't they banned? Because nobody complained. Get it,
+numbnuts? I'm not going to suck your fucking ass to get unbanned, you're
+fucking bogus and you know it. Rationalize it however you like, you check how
+your powers are supposed to be used and you'll see you overstepped your
+authority, you asshole. Don't get high and mighty with me you prick, you're
+just a man like me. I'm not even going to respond to any more of your
+foolishness. I've shown you that you far-exceeded your responsibility and
+authority, now you fucking make it right, be a goddamned man and make it right
+because I refuse to whine to somebody else to get it fixed, YOU FIX IT.

[edit] WHITE MAN FROM TOWN SAYS TAKE IT OFF.

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Read Roadrunner's recent editions of the black hole page, jackass. It confirms
+some of the changes I tried to make, one being that black holes are NOT the
+most likely candidate for gamma ray bursters. Does that mean the anonymous user
+is a fucking troll? Are you going to ban him and reinstate me? You stupid
+asshole, WHITE MAN FROM TOWN SAYS TAKE IT OFF.

[edit] More asking to be unblocked

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Enough is enough, you fix it, now. I've kept this between just you and me but
+you better fix it, and I mean it. You stepped way over the line. I'll give you
+time to review the situtation before I email again, but you consider this your
+polite request. Make right what you did wrong, that's all I ask, you banned me
+at the drop of a hat, and that is very reckless. In my opinion you don't
+deserve the admin status you have. Those powers you have are to prevent jokers
+from putting fairy tales or dirty jokes on all the pages, not to settle
+disputes being hashed out in the talk pages. Now please reinstate me, you are
+clearly in the wrong here.

[edit] Plautus gets impatient

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Goddamned stupid nazi mother fucker, unban me you stupid piece of shit. Read the
+fucking authority you have, you are to use bans ONLY IN CASES OF PERSISTENT
+VANDALISM. UNBAN ME YOU FUCKING IGNORANT ASSHOLE.

[edit] I tell Plautus the block is done

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> Goddamned stupid nazi mother fucker, unban me you stupid piece of shit. Read
+the fucking authority you have, you are to use bans ONLY IN CASES OF PERSISTENT
+VANDALISM. UNBAN ME YOU FUCKING IGNORANT ASSHOLE.

It's been 24 hours so I'm unblocking you like I said.  If you feel I have
abused my privileges, take it up with the proper channels on Wikipedia or
the mailing lists.

Regards,
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Jeff Bonham
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[edit] Plautus refutes "that idiot Roadrunner's claims"

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This document refutes that idiot Roadrunner's claims that plasma physics does
+not offer a completely reasonable prediction of gamma ray bursts in space:
+http://www.cwi.nl/publications/annual-reports/2001/ORA/HTML/MAS-2.html

"October 1, a start was made with the project Computational Magnetohydrodynamics
+in Special Relativity, in the framework of the larger NWO-project Rapid Changes
+in Complex Flows. As a first step to the final goal of developing a numerical
+method for solving the special relativistic magneto-hydrodynamic (SRMHD)
+equations, Van Odyck started implementing a numerical method to solve a
+one-dimensional special relativistic hydrodynamics problem. A spherical gas
+explosion is used as a model problem. This problem has been proposed by the
+Astro-Plasma physics group at the University of Utrecht and it can be seen as a
+simplification of a Gamma Ray Burst (GRB). These are not yet fully understood
+high-energy explosions in the universe. It is hoped that eventually an SRMHD
+calculation can shed light on this topic."

Unban me, you ignorant son of a bitch. Admit you made a mistake, you fool.

[edit] I reply

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> This document refutes that idiot Roadrunner's claims that plasma physics does
+not offer a completely reasonable prediction of gamma ray bursts in space:
+http://www.cwi.nl/publications/annual-reports/2001/ORA/HTML/MAS-2.html

I don't care.

> Unban me, you ignorant son of a bitch. Admit you made a mistake, you fool.

I already did.

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[edit] BLACK HOLE IS DEAD, FOOL. UNBAN ME.

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And look at this, you dumb mother fucker:
+http://www.ketek.net/layer2/publications/dictionary.htm

"X-ray astronomy is the study of x-rays that originate above the atmosphere. As
+with cosmic rays, they are both solar and galactic in origin. Bremsstrahlung
+and synchrotron radiation emitted by cosmic-ray electrons are thought to be
+among the physical processes responsible for cosmic x-rays. As they penetrate
+the atmosphere only to a limited extend, it is necessary to detect them from
+balloons, rockets, or satellites. When energies are observed which are higher
+than those normally associated with x-rays, these photons are often called
+gamma rays regardless of their origin."

Synchtron radiation is emitted from particle accelerators on Earth, and from
+naturally-occuring particle accelerators in space. Black hole mythology does
+not predict this radiation, but black hole mythology HAS been modified in an ad
+hoc fashion to account for the observations that conflict with it. Synchotron
+radiation is often gamma rays in particle accelerators on Earth, when they are
+dealing with very high energies. These energies are piddling in comparison to
+the tremendous currents coursing through galactic plasmas. All this PREDICTED
+BY PLASMA PHYSICISTS. AND IT FALLS IN LINE WITH EVIDENCE BASED ON PREDICTION
+NOT ON AD HOC EXCEPTIONS. BLACK HOLE MYTHOLOGY IS REWRITTEN WITH EACH NEW
+OBSERVATION, IT IS MORE EXCEPTION THAN RULE. BLACK HOLE IS DEAD, FOOL. UNBAN
+ME.

[edit] Plautus defends his edit to Ilan Ramon

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From: Plautus Satire <plautus@shaw.ca>
Subject: Ilan Ramon - kosher
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By the way, I looked at that edit, yes it was mine. I agree the tone was very
+flippant, but the fact remains he was and is still the only astronaut to ever
+order kosher food on a space shuttle. Why is it valid to mention he was the
+first Israeli, but not the first to order kosher food? Seems like kneejerk
+reaction to the implication that Ilan Ramon was a practicing jew. So what? As
+for my characterization of him as a "mushy-headed tourist," he WAS on the space
+shuttle. If he didn't want to make sacrifices he shouldn't have signed on.
+Special dietary requirements impose more costs on the missions and probably in
+the case of kosher food required lots of either time to prepare or space to
+store. How long was that mission delayed? Why? Because an Israeli on board made
+it an irresistable target for terrorists? I could go on and on about my
+SPECULATIONS, but instead I reported a fact in that post. The only valid
+argument against that edit was the tone, the facts were valid, as valid as the

I only started posting recently as you well know. Once I realized I could
+register and get "credit" for my posts I did so immediately. I'm sorry if I
+don't have the knack for dry, encyclopaedic writing but I am getting better at
+it. Don't ruin my contributions because a few whiners pissed and moaned in your
+ear that I'm trying to bully them. And by the way, who the fuck are you to
+decide what goes into a talk page? Particularly a user talk page? God damn it
+burns my ass I have to even speak in a civil manner to you, because I strongly
+suspect you are just an ignorant child who has been given the equivelent on
+wikipedia of a loaded gun.

[edit] Two days later

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From: Plautus Satire <plautus@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: what a load of crap
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:10:38 -0000
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How the fuck did a bunch of bottom-feeding, mewling pissants like you assholes
+get control of wikipedia? Try reading the sysop guidelines. They quite clearly
+prohibit personal vendettas waged by sysops.

[edit] Email from User:Ollieplatt

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To: Silsor <jbonham@mail.utm.utoronto.ca>
Subject: You have blocked me indefinitely, can I ask why?
From: Ollieplatt <rogerailes@walla.com>

I have attempted to edit, successfully, from one of my sockpuppets. And then
+returned to be Ollieplatt and am now blocked. Please change this immediately.
+It is completely unjustified.

[edit] Email from User:Adam Carr

Why am I still blocked when Corax is no longer blocked? (see the first entry on
+my User page.) Also I am not listed on the Blocked User page. Either block
+Corax or unblock me AT ONCE or I will report you for misuse of your powers.