Talk:Silver Moon Books

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Oppose deletion, Article needs more work, but this publisher's works can be found at many high st bookshops (I'll try and find a source/reference) (edit from Oct 28 2006 unsigned) AvruchTalk 01:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Also oppose deletion

This publisher, and its successor Bdsmbooks.com are two of the oldest online BDSM publisher and were both founded by the same person. I think it's worth looking into before deleting, if in fact the BDSM article should mention publishers at all. (and why not?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steverapaport (talk • contribs) 01:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] also oppose deletion

Silver Moon is an established, respected company.

Please also see my note at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BDSM#bdsmbooks.com__vs._Silver_Moon I'm wondering if perhaps a competitor called for deletion? I don't see in the history here who wanted to originally delete. Has the history been altered? Is there a way to find out? Is it the same user who added "Silver Moon Books and successor Bdsmbooks.com" to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM ? ElizaBarrington (talk) 04:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I believe I proposed the deletion of both, and I can assure you that I am not affiliated with either one. Please assume good faith on the part of other editors. AvruchTalk 00:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I was just assuming bad faith because someone added a BDSMbooks.com mention and a spurious description on the wikipedia BDSM page. ElizaBarrington (talk) 02:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] case for removing mention of BDSMbooks.com

As I posted on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:BDSM - BDSMbooks.com "several of the stories on bdsmbooks.com seem to involve non-consensual and violent sex with characters as young as 12 years old. That fucking squicks me out, and I don't really want to help someone spam stuff like that on a Wikipedia page dedicated to safe, sane and consensual BDSM, even if it's 'just fiction.'"

I don't know that this alone makes the bdsmbooks.com mention here on the Silver Moon page a candidate for deletion, but someone (I'd assume bdsmbooks.com themselves, from the wording) spammed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM about bdsmbooks.com and added untrue info (the claim that it is a "successor" to Silver Moon - Silver Moon is still very much in business and lists upcoming titles on their site).

I think those two things combined would be a good reason to remove the mention of BDSMbooks.com here. ElizaBarrington (talk) 00:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd take offense to that! First, I'm NOT bdsmbooks nor spamming for them. Second, I signed my name to the edits. Check my wikipedia user number. I'm not a spammer.
The term "successor" might not be correct -- Mr. Hick sold the imprint Silver Moon and then began a new imprint called bdsmbooks. Bdsmbooks has 5380 ghits and a pagerank of 3. "Silver Moon Books" has 583 google hits and a page rank of 2. So if Silver moon is notable, so then is bdsmbooks, founded by the same guy 7 years later. Simple. Not spam. If you don't like the word "successor", suggest a better one. Steve Rapaport (talk) 20:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Hearsay about one publisher publishing underage fiction is not verifiable and is, as far as I know, untrue. The very first line of the author's guideline begins: "We have no guidelines for you, really, except that abuse of minors is obviously and completely out". http://www.bdsmbooks.com/authors.htm Steve Rapaport (talk) 20:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed merge

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bdsmbooks where I have proposed that this article be merged with Pentland Hick. Thanks. --John (talk) 05:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

So in the case of a merge, would this article and Bdsmbooks become a redirect to Pentland Hick? Steve Rapaport (talk) 00:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)