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[edit] Archived old discussion page

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[edit] Candidates for "External Links"

[edit] Silkroad Wikis

[edit] a) Wiki on Wikia

[edit] b) A wiki hosted on a private homepage of Jedaz

I don't know if anyone thinks its worth-while putting the link on the page, but there it is if people want. - Jedaz 10:37, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

It's interesting. ~ UBeR 21:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Is it down already? - TopAce 14:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Nope. ShakingSpirittalk 14:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Issue is, if you let these in, then people will cry foul if you don't let their's in. I personally just want a link to all the different editions of SRO. Ddcc 17:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
These should not be added to external links. ~ UBeR 18:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I may be a bit biased (actually, I know I am XD) but... seeing as how the scratchpad wiki (a) is not exactly running at this point, I'd say Jedaz's wiki should be listed. I've looked around, and several other gaming articles link to a prominent wiki on the game. There is a Japanese wiki [1], but no other active ones. Therefore, I'd say to add Jedaz's wiki (b) on the grounds that it is the most prominent English wiki for Silkroad. And, small aside, but I also feel that it's grown enough since it's initial nomination to actually be considered as a link. Faladine 12:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I just visited the site and checked a few pages. A lot of stuff is still missing. ~ UBeR 17:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Neither of the wikis work, they shouldn't be added unless they are 100% (or as close as is practicably possible) reliable.195.171.111.194 10:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GM cap raise confirmation

[2] this pic shows definite confirmation about the GMs raising the cap since they made the announcement in game

[edit] Europe

Europe has been released in Korean Silkroad Online, and I think this article is mainly focused on the international Server. Can someone write some more information about Europe.Jackietang33 08:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

KSRO have had the Euro patch for quite a long time now, but I don't think we should include anything about it in the article until it's released in IKSO early next year, as it's ISRO that the article is predominantly written about; KSRO and ISRO may be the same game at heart, but there's a lot of differences between them ShakingSpirittalk 09:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I Don't see anything wrong with adding a European section. I don't have enough information about it to write anything though. ~ UBeR 20:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

There is also West Asia which is released in both Japanese and Korean SRO.Jackietang33 00:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

What about the European Masteries? And race, Europeans Have different skills depending on their Jobs, its really complicated, Ive been checking Korean Sro And didnt found enough Information on skills of the European Race although their skills are alot slower than chinese skills. they have clerics, rogue and others that other Online Rpg games usually have.Jackietang33 00:38, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Look at the reference link at the bottom of the page. The interview with developers has information on all of this and also the upcoming arab race. They explain all of this in English. Just wanted you to know. Redskunk 02:26, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Ahhh! That was very useful.^^ Haven't realised, rarely visit the International Site.Jackietang33 08:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

The international version of Europe SRO has been released, along with many new servers not listed on this page. Someone update please?Windedhero 18:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seal Items

A post on the official SilkRoad site forums tells the specifics for Seal weapons, and was posted by a member of the moderation staff. However, I have -no idea- how to reference it properly (especially with the whole 'forums aren't references' thing)... here's the link for anyone interested (it's the post by (sparta)morningdew, I can't seem to make the page automatically focus on that post): http://www.silkroadonline.net/sro_board/ppboard/viewtopic.php?t=27620&sid=98681e551d10f723d2107137dc45e9f6

[edit] Berserker Points

I don't know if any of you have a precise answer for this, but how exactly do you accumulate Berserker Points, if not by killing NPCs? - TopAce 15:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't you just kill monsters and like every ? npc's killed gives you a berserker point? Ddcc 19:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
It's pretty random. You could kill 20 monsters and not get a berserker point, you could kill 20 and get 3 of them. It's pretty hard to know when you will and will not get berserker points. ~ UBeR 20:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gold duping

I get that players were somehow able to make enormous amounts of gold using an exploit, but the article doesn't really say HOW they managed to do it. Is it known or was it simply a skillful hack into the game's source code? - TopAce 22:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't know. Obviously Joymax isn't going to publicize it. Ddcc 22:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

You mean buying gold? Because in Aege there was someone who had 1 billion gold, buying a SOSUN ,64 bladeJackietang33 12:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No. Gold duplicating via game bug. Ddcc 16:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Gold Buying is a huge problem in silkroad.. Gold Duplication attempts have failed many times and when there WAS a gold duplication exploit, it was VERY QUICKLY found and severely punished (banned accts).~L

[edit] Event items + Server lists

Is it really needed? ~ UBeR 18:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I added the Event Item section because these items are, as stated in the section, unique. It is information in the form of knowing where these items came from, as well as what servers have which items in circulation. I do, however, freely admit that it could very definitely use cleanup at the least. The Server list is needed as-is, as it lists the dates as well as the servers themselves, which I've seen frequent questions of what was released when on various forums. 4.154.5.81 01:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I think adding the server lists wasn't needed, but the event item might be needed.Jackietang33 09:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Event items is so-so. I don't have a real opinion. The server lists are innacurate as Sparta isn't on there. It is really too long. If you want to make a new arcticle I don't know. But just not in this one Redskunk 02:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

It wouldn't qualify for a new article; it isn't long enough and wouldn't contain enough information to be worthy of an article. 4.154.0.217 06:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV?

Added "The servers are allways full so you only have a very slight chance to actually play the game. And even if you get on a server, you will often experience severe lag. Many would mean that they would rather pay a montly fee so that they Joymax could get more servers"

That's not from a neutral point of view which Wikipedia requires. Simply put, they are NOT always full. And if you changed it to "the servers are sometimes full", that's still not something that would be appropriate. Ddcc 20:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have been trying to play for some days now, and the servers are full most of the time. And even if you get on a server, you will experience severe lag. Why wouldnt it be appropriate to write that out? It is a fact, and Wikipedia is no commercial place. I can agree on that I wrote it in the wrong place, I will now put it under the server-paragraph.

That may be, but you'd need to find and cite a source; wikipedia can't accept original research ^_^ ShakingSpirittalk 11:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually I get in very easy and usually don't get any lag. So... ~ UBeR 17:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesnt lag, depending on which time you loginJackietang33 11:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

2 things.
1) WHen it doesnt let you log on due to server capacity, simply keep at it, youll get on within 10 mins usually but never more than an hour and a half.
2) WHy is original research frowned upon?? surely it is better to get info from people who play the game alot then someone who either, makes money from the game, or had half a day on it to write an article for a mag. No original research makes sense for scientific and historical articles, but not for computer games.195.171.111.194 10:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silkroad jargon

Would a section about jargon used by the Silkroad community fit in here? I would be enthusiastic to make one, if you think it would be appropriate. - TopAce 19:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is trying to stay away from becoming a "game guide" for games. For example, you don't expect to go buy a copy of World Book and find articles on "special items" on games. Ddcc 04:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't see why a page about SRO jargon could be anything like a "game guide." It's as much as saying that this whole article should be deleted because it gives info about how the game is played and the equipment items there are in it. - TopAce 19:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, agree with you, TopAce, this whole entire article clearly explains to players the interface of game, skills and Masteries which is clearly a guide. Jargon wouldnt be bad, like when players are saying B>Weapon Elixir, Pm me with offers.Jackietang33 07:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Under "Gameplay" I found the following text: "The graphics are dodgy. Ine other disadvantage is that when you buy a mount (horse), once you get of, you have to buy a new one." Spelling mistake aside, this comment seems more like a personal opinion a nuetral point of view. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niblik (talk • contribs) 20:11, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Philippines edition

Is there any difference between that and International? Ddcc 03:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Philippines shouldn't be much of a difference from International, as far as I know, Isro is the last Server to recieve new updates.Jackietang33 05:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The reason I'm asking this is because if you go to the download page for the Philippine client, it links to SilkroadOnlineGlobalOfficial, which implies that it's the international client. Ddcc 02:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dull Pictures

The pictures that have been uploaded are abit "lame", there's no conflict. We need a picture with conflict, maybe with a unique or giant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackietang33 (talk • contribs) 05:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

If an image gets uploaded and used in Wikipedia, it's not because it's exciting or an "eye-candy" but because it shows something that needs to be seen, gives info or illustrates something. Could you be more specific? Which ones are "lame," and why? - TopAce 19:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The pictures with the one showing the masteries, I was thinking someone should replace it with a Pvp picture.Jackietang33 07:01, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Pak u all ok —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.133.218.122 (talk) 04:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed Move

I'm proposing that the "Game Problems and Exploits" section be given its own article. I'd do it myself; however, I'm not entirely positive if it's -quite- long enough to warrant its own article. That said, any disagreements for the proposal? 4.154.0.50 08:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure you can make new articles as an anonymous user. That section is all that long, it's mostly composed of short paragraphs spanning multiple topics. Clean-up and shortening it would work. Ddcc 14:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I think it works just fine as a section in this article. ~ UBeR 16:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Basic info

Just found this interesting entry. I have one change to suggest. Please add information on joining the game for users like me. Does one actually join the game simply by setting up a user name and password? Does one need to purchase any software, or download anything, or make any payments? appreciate the info. thanks. --Sm8900 17:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, the opening sentence states it's free. :-) I hope the information on my talk page I gave you helps answer your other questions. ~ UBeR 21:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by "free", Joymax has implanted a new item mall scroll, it allows players to login to the server regardless of server traffic, leaving non premium scroll buyers clicking their heads off. 60.241.254.111 10:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Except there's no evidence of this, and most people would suggest otherwise. ~ UBeR 14:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
There is evidence that the new scroll has been implemented and players can login regardless of traffic without the scroll. However, the game is still a free game because you do not need to pay to play it. Ddcc 00:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
No evidence? Id say the publishers stating it performs that purpose is fair evidence. But that doesnt mean it isnt free, its still free to get on, just better if you pay, (Like food, you can get some free from bins and such but its much better to pay for it :D)195.171.111.194 10:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

hope you like my edit in section "botter" - SRO is probably the game with the most bots in relation to legits. - Joymax is not functionally able to act against bots. - Joymay earns a lot of money by selling "silk" to the bots. - Bots have taken control of this game. - Joymay is telling lies about anti-bot-actions. my english is not the best, may be you can make my text better. Have fun ^^ says player "QModus" lvl 49 from server "Tibet" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.174.160.144 (talk) 10:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Making an Anti-Bot statement on a wiki is pretty dumb. Because the wiki is neutral, having nothing to do with the game. It's understandable to consider botting a problem - due to server traffic, but in all reality it has nothing else to do with wiki. Do not make anti-bot or pro bot statements here.. keep everything neutral and peaceful. Legit or Unlegit, it doesn't matter. So stop bringing your problems in here, a biased wiki is an untrue wiki.~L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.92.127 (talk) 10:20, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There is no dispute that bots are disaster to any MMORPG. Of course that some cheaters will say otherwise, but they are in extremely small minority, so there is no need to mention it. Read WP:UNDUE88.101.76.122 23:05, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
It is impossible to describe this game without writing about bots. Sure there are bots in every game. But in Silkroad most active chars are bots. Other games delete bots whenever they find em. Joymax told gamers they would ban bots immediately after euro-update. But this was and is not the truth. Servers full of bots are reality which must be described if you will give actual and correct information about this game. Wikipedia can only describe the situation. Speculation is forbidden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.176.78.45 (talk) 19:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
What speculation are you talking about?--88.101.76.122 22:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Its no speculation that joymax didn´t ban any bots since euro-update. Its no speculation that joymax didnt tell the truth when they said that they would ban bots immediate. And if you play this game and go to hotan then you see that most chars take same way, rest at same places, spawn their horses at same place. Its easy to detect bots in this game. Very easy and 100%. There is no speculation about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.158.239.168 (talk) 14:25, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I do agree you cannot properly describe silkroad without refering to the botting situation. But wiki is a neutral ground, allowing personal opinions to get in the way seem to clearly blur the common attempt of giving general information about the game. Gotta keep things neutral, that's all I'm saying. I don't dispute the fact that bots are the bane of silkroad, because they are. But on the other hand, Joymax does nothing about them and that's commonly known now days. ~L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.92.127 (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:SRO-2006-10-09_20-17-56-_12.JPG

Can anyone get a good replacement for it? It appears to be PK2 editing because the character is only 28 and wearing 70+ armor. Also, the obfuscating of the character name and chat is unprofessional, not to mention not hiding the navigation bars. Ddcc 03:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmm the picture might have been taken zoomed in to avoid showing the character who took the screenshot. It could possibly be cropped as well. Overall though, I agree a better substitute should be found/made. ~ UBeR 03:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

it is as UBeR has said, you can see the circle beneath the player in control BEHIND the one who being looked at, its just the camera angle 90.196.10.160 (talk) 22:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Stall...

Under "Game problems and exploits" there is a sub-section about the numerous stallers. What I had written was "Closely related to server capacity limits, players are able to set up stalls with items in it and leave those stalls running for indefinite periods of time. Also, some users set up multiple player accounts so they are able to play on one while selling on another. This all leads to less available login slots, but is allowed by Joymax." I think this shows how it can be a problem, but is still allowed by Joymax, which seems to be 74.60.137.68's main point. What the IP keep writing is, "This is not a problem it is ALLOWED by the gamemaker. Everyone is allowed to set up a stall as long as they like. Only botters complain about this issue, due to the fact they want to use multiclient bots." The problem, as I see it, is that it has nothing to do with botters and everything to do with server capacity limits, as stated in the version I was restoring. Perhaps the IP is incorrectly assuming we mean "exploit" when we mean "problem"? Obviously, it's not an exploit because Joymax allows it, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem for some players (who aren't bots) because of sever capacity limits. We don't make any statement about how it shouldn't be allowed, or how good of an idea it is, we're simply stating what the problem is, per Wikipedia guidelines. I think what the IP is writing is entirely different. ~ UBeR 16:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources to use

Recently, DarkSaber2k inserted the {{primarysources}} template without reason or discussion ("drive-by tagging"). The problem, however, is that www.silkroadonline.net is an excellent source of information about the game. It would be absurd to think otherwise, in my opinion. ~ UBeR 17:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Hacking incidents

Why was there a link to Jim Jones with the "closes all accounts" bit in Hacking Incidents. I removed the link, but if it belongs there, feel free to add it back in. Lone Lobo 02:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Terrible movment delay

Shouldn't we add the problem with the movement ingame to this article ? Alot of people including me have horrible problems with the controls ingame. When i click on an enemy or the ground the game is reacting very slow it took 2 up to 8 seconds to let my character move. And i wanna know if there is a sollution for this or if its a bug noone can fix or if its even wanted by joymax. I asked a few people and some of them dont seem to have this problem (or dont know if its a problem due lack of mmorpg experience) and others do have the same problem. Is this region specific ? euope maybe ? i know a few people in Germany who have that bug but the german article isnt mentioning it.

As of this date there are no issues with movement delay. Windedhero 18:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
This problem is caused by connection lag, you either have a low bandwidth connection or are using alot of the bandwidth (e.g P2P software, etc.)195.171.111.194 10:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lag and Frame Rate Issues

I am suggesting that Frame Rate Issues section and Lag section should be merged, or that the Lag section be simply removed.

Though Silkroad has continuously added equipment to reduce lag, and though they are trying round the clock,[2][3] many players still complain about instances of lag in the game, particularly in crowded areas, such as in towns or during fights with unique monsters. This is likely a result of Joymax's decision to allow multi-accounting (as above).

Seems slightly biased towards Joymax's indifference, when the Europe expansion resolves the graphical lag problem with the V key.

I have also contributed to the Frame Rate Issues section with the update on the european expansion, where I believe it applies better than it would the non-graphical application of the term "lag" which applies to connection issues and lengthy command/action resolutions.

[edit] Triangular Trade

Unique from other MMORPGs, the game is centered around a triangular system of trading goods.

I found this article via List of free MMOGs and have not yet participated in the game. Given the above line from the article, I was disappointed that there was not a section describing how this works, perhaps with a link to Triangular trade (which, IMHO, needs to be reworked with additional non-Atlantic-based examples). --Vrmlguy 11:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] kSRO Legend V.I???

WOW I just found out that koreans are 6 versions ahead of the international version. I cannot find any information on it on wikipedia and i really wanna play the korean version =(... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Storkian (talk • contribs) 19:51, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

You cannot compare kSRO to iSRO they are 2 entirely different versions. Implementations are done seperately and at a different pace. iSRO is well over a year behind kSRO - as kSRO was released in 2004 to korea.~L
Ksro just entered legend vii with a 100 lvl cap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.167.171 (talk) 15:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes but they are more then a year ahead of us and on a different timescale.. they get updates at a different pace ~L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.92.127 (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tone

I added a {{tone}} tag to this article this morning after noticing an unsourced non-NPOV sentence while patrolling recent changes. I came in to delete the sentence but noticed there seem to be a number of them scattered through the article. I don't have enough knowledge of the subject to track down sources for them, but here are a couple examples:

  • Sever Capacity Limits - "Although the recent updates have helped immensely."
  • Crashes - "Quite occasionally, actually..." and "The actual cause of the random crashes are due to faulty coding and overlooked bugs in the system which cause memory leaks, errors and stability issues."
  • Language Problems - "small yet embarrassingly numerous mistakes", "poor explanations"
  • Profanity - "unfortunately"
  • Botter - "This is not the truth. The truth is that no matter which part of the server you navigate to, players will always be outnumbered by bots. Joymax didn´t ban bots since Euro-update.", "Spambots advertising gold selling sites are most time so active that it's impossible to communicate with players in cities.", "All this leads to the question if Silkroad is a good game for children because they learn to act in an illegal way to solve their problems."
  • Hack Prevention Tips - "There are a few ways to prevent your account from being hacked or phished by someone. These tips are coming from someone who has had it happen and has friends who've had it happen." (Wikipedia is not a how-to guide)

These are just a couple examples, but there are others, and the article is in serious need of citations. Over all you are all doing good work on this article, so I figured it would be helpful and productive to call these issues out for your attention. --Clubjuggle T/C 11:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bots

Who wrote that bunch of garbage in the bots section??? (Not the begining) Theres absolutely NO reference. Should i delete it? XNos 08:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Why are you sabotaging the bots section? Many of those are just plain statements. You can go to the forums yourself to see the huge thread that is mentioned in the article. Similarly, you can see the huge bot bans that are mentioned and their dates in the official news section on the main site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.146.75 (talk) 18:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


This whole article should be rewritten. It's gotten completely out of hand with no reasonable person to patrol it. ~ UBeR 18:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

"Why are you sabotaging the bots section? Many of those are just plain statements. You can go to the forums yourself to see the huge thread that is mentioned in the article. Similarly, you can see the huge bot bans that are mentioned and their dates in the official news section on the main site."
Then why dont u add in the references then??? coz ppl that doesnt play sro doesnt kno about the forums. XNos 08:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

someone wants a link or a proof that accounts are not banned ip-based. GM Morningdew (the real one, not the team that followed later on) told this in the forum of silkroad. I read it myseld - but I dont think that someone might find this information again cause of many many thousands of posts done after this. The sro-forum has no search-function. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.48.197.70 (talk) 19:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Webpage Vandalism

Under the vandalism header... Citation missing has already been pointed out, but also there seemed to be a personal issue and view being inserted here about the overshadowing company. It'd be wise to remove the statement about how you feel that the company treats its customers. 130.111.249.193 18:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

It'd be wise for people to leave out personal beliefs here period. Isn't wiki suppose to be an unbiased 100% factual article? People keep sabataging it.. :\ ~L

Also, it should be checked because there is much vandalism on the page for the mmorpg Silk Road, just read through it from the beginning, it is all over the place —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldeneye-ball (talk • contribs) 10:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hacking, What the hell? Be objective!!

Someone with a very poor english grammar level wrote something about JoyMax working together with iSRObot, you don't know that for sure and it's probably not true. Do you realize NONE of the complains toward iSRO get to Korea..? The Cali offices are the ones that suck, but that doesn't mean they're working with gold and bot companies.. geez

I agree with you 100%. Conspiricy theories should be left out of this. Keep things FACTUAL ONLY! ~L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.92.127 (talk) 17:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better Images

I haven't been watching this article for a while now, but I've noticed that there are no european images. Maybe add one with a side-by-side comparison between a European character and Chinese character? Ddcc 17:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I will see what I can do to make it look better. I have several stocks of europeans :) ~L


[edit] Screwed up

Someone screwed with the entire page!!.. I see several "gaymaxes" and turks being blamed for CCF... *sigh* ~L

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Stall.jpg

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[edit] I wonder if this should be added as a reference about Joymax's ineptitude

http://www.silkroadonline.net/sro_board/bhboard/bh_postview.asp?ForumID=2&TopicID=69021

Theoretically, this was written by an ex-GM, Pizza. However, I'm not so hasty to treat these statements as facts. We could be dealing with an impersonator, but if that is not the case, it should be put here. - TopAce (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Information for Players

I think it'd be a good idea to have a category for Silkroad Online external sites (like the one World of Warcraft) where people can go to the site to get information on builds, monsters, uniques, map, quest info, item, EXP/SP calculator, etc. I guess we will have to make it a requirement that it must be popular and it's mainly a portal site and not a link to a little kid's forum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Kane (talk • contribs) 02:59, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Lord Yarkan.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 13:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links issue

Someone has been adding an amateur website, when on it's forum you can see how people flame away and there's no control. The site has nothing new and the community is as small as a proboards homemade fan forum, around 1000 members. There would be around 1000 external links to horrible forums if this is allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.132.128.35 (talk) 16:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Factual inaccuracies, NPOV issues

There is so much biased and sourceless (or broken-sourced) stuff written here I have to wonder how this was rated "B".

I can't possibly cover all of the shocking stuff within the article, nonetheless, here's a few..

I'm removing a section:

"2. Does not respond to their users through the game, their forum, or by any other verifiable method. As one example taken from their own forum, there are thousands of suggestions by users to deal with the above-mentioned in-game spam problem. These ideas range from creating a simple "ignore" command to appointing players as spam-watchers. Joymax neither replied nor adopted any of the suggestions. General complaints, requests for support, and game ideas are equally not responded to by any Joymax representative."

It is completely inaccurate, and there is no source to back up this claim. They have one forum moderator, and other GM's on their forum system, and while it's questionable as to how many use the name, the moderator's name is "(Sparta)morningdew", who I have no reason to believe isn't a direct representative of some sort of the company. I haven't seen them post often lately, but they have posted on a regular basis throughout my time on Silkroad Online.

Also:

Bias without sources (or anything to back up "many"):

"Many players rumor that Joymax allows the botters due to lack of action against them."

"Many believe "CCF" is causing an unfair balance between people who are able to buy an unlimited amount of purchasable items and those who play legitimately."

POV (also uncited):

"This is at the cost of other players, sometimes being forced disconnected to make room for premium players"

Conspiracy theories (cited, but broken link):

"fueled speculation in the Silkroad Official Forum that Joymax either directly owns these Terms-of-Service violating enterprises, is content to subsidize their activities because the spammers buy silk, or wants to pressure players to purchase "Global" messages"

I mean, you could go through the entire article and not read far to find issues with it all around. It completely lacks professional, and, disappointingly, neutral and objective tone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sr82 (talk • contribs) 04:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I've done a little bit of editing, but I'd call it more "damage control" than anything, as the article needs a collaborative effort to not make it seem like it was written from one side, and being far more insinuating (and an outlet for conspiracy theories) than informative.
There has been a lot of stuff like this:
"Yet, despite many suggestions from users, no demonstrable measures against spam have been taken.".
Meanwhile, just below that it says Joymax implemented an option for players to make a local block list. An unbiased (and factual) representation contradicting an opinionated, unsourced one.
Also someone added server Gaia, and a whole mess about potential future updates which have not been sourced, and I haven't seen the announcement made that these will be added to iSRO. It is merely speculation. People are passing it off as facts.
This is just a disaster. - Sr82 02:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unofficial forums.

Why did you delete the silkroadforums.com link? It happens to be the most visited, large and accurate forum out there, we have a total of 16~ish k members, and a huge help section plus general discussion so why bother deleting it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.134.175.55 (talk) 01:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Query to the poster above who deleted several paragrahs out of the Wiki due to "Factual Innacuracies"

It is common knowledge that you cannot prove a negative. So you personally took it upon yourself to delete several sections of the Wiki dealing with what is commonly known to all players about a non-responsive customer service department because it cannot be proven that they dont answer?

How exactly do you honestly expect somone to site evidence to back up a claim, that if it is infact a true claim, proof of it would be that there would be no evidence?

I suppose one could site several thousand posts in the official Joymax Co./Silkroad Onine forum as antidoctal evidence of a non-responsive customer service, but if you have found a way to definitively prove a negative, by all means post it! I and most of the scientific world would love to know how you manage it. If you have not, then all you have done here is removed several sections of the Wiki because "you" personally do not approve of them. Not because they are infact incorrect or misleading in any way.

As to (Sparta)Morningdew, his/their job is forum moderation only, as they have stated several times in the offical Silkroad Online forum. They are not Customer Support, and no "fast track" to Korea and Joymax Co. for reporting problems/suggestions and no authority of any kind besides editing posts for content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.192.174 (talk) 16:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

If/When the Wiki for Silkroad Online is once again open for editing, I would also like to see added a section added about the "Premium Login Ticket". Though technically correct that it is "Free-to-Play" the reality is that you need to buy a login ticket from Joymax Co. to every have any real posibility of accessing the game. This can be backed up by Rev6.com in that most severs have 10,000 accounts or more competing for the 3,500 player slots or less.

Rev6.com also does continually evaluate server status and it current and maximum capacities and give a up-to-date percentage of posibility of being able to log on without needing a premium. In most servers, expecially the older ones, this percentage is in the fractions of 1%.

I will give most of you kudos though for "Cleaning up" the Wiki. I do not think Joymax Co could have written this "improved" Wiki better themselves. Any references to any serious problems Silkroad has/had seems to have been pretty much removed due to "Lack of citation". Or in case of some addendums I had made about lack of updates, deleted beside the fact of having citations (I see the links to the citations are still there in the Wiki, just the information relating to them is gone).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.192.174 (talk) 07:44, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi anonymous poster. Please read Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources. Statements need to be sourced, per Wikipedia's verifiability policy. Content in encyclopedias should be verifiable, not just supposed facts of "I heard it somewhere" conjectures. ~ UBeR (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi to UBeR who posted the response above, I am wondering why just because Joymax Co. posts information, it is to be taken as gospel and not to be questioned, but "common sense/knowledge" information about Silkroad Online and its problems are totally dis-allowed because it cannot be "sited" to a so-called "reliable source". Which as seeing that every link/citation and comment that refered to any type of 3d party site has been removed from the Wiki now, apperently means only Joymax Co. offical released information.

Simple things like it has a massive bot problem, and it is being dealt with exceptionally poorly by Joymax Co. Certainly this is common knowledge to anyone who has played more then a few hours, but obviously Joymax Co. is not going to admit to it in writing anywhere. And apperently as they are the only allowable source of information for this Wiki this common knowedge is "conjecture/hearsay" and not allowed to be included? If the only source of information to be allowed to be included here are statements traceable as being made by Joymax Co. you might as well let them write the Wiki and then lock it. Only allowing information from one source, Joymax Co., who is of course highly biased in their own favor is hardly what I would consider being Wiki Neutral.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.192.174 (talk • contribs)

Hello anonymous poster. We need not only rely on Joymax for our information. Reliable third party sources would be good to reference for information you wish to include. (Note, unofficial forum posts are not reliable sources.) The problem, I believe, is that there aren't very many reliable sources that say this. So Wikipedia's view is that if there aren't any reliable sources that say this, why should we? This is an encyclopedia, keep in mind, not a blog. There needs to be a certain extent to which things can be verifiable through the use of sources. ~ UBeR (talk) 00:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello again UBeR. You seem to be missing my point here somewhat, so I will try this another way. Why is information from Joymax Co. instantly considered "reliable" simply because they say it is true? And any information from any other source immedieately "unreliable" because it may conflict with Joymax Co.s stated information? Of course Joymax Co. is going to put the best spin on all information they release, and gloss over or simply omit to mention any type of information that will make them look bad as a company.

Only reporting their information, and as fact/truth with the only required basis that it is actually correct being because that they say it is so, is doing a disservice to any readers of the Wiki.

If for example, tonight they made an announcement that Silkroad is now "100% bot free" and anyone who says otherwise is lying, does that mean that the Silkroad Wiki section refering to bots will then be changed to "Silkroad as of May 14th, 2008 has now been verified as being completely bot free"? And any other source(s) saying otherwise are obviously incorrect and not worth mentioning because they are 3d party?

I certainly agre that the Wiki should not be posting anything questionable or offensive, or even taking sides on Pro/Anti bot. But if Joymax Co. says about something "this is true" and 10 other 3d party sources say "This is false", then I think both sides probably deserve to be mentioned, without Joymax co. having an automatic veto over any type of conflicting information simply because they are Joymax Co. Only presenting Wiki readers with partial and biased information about a subject defeats the purpose of a Wiki doesnt it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.192.174 (talk) 01:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Joymax's statements are reliable to represent their point of view. That is to say, they are a good source to show Joymax's side. However, if there are not any reliable, third party sources that criticize Joymax, why should Wikipedia? This isn't a place for soapboxing. If you have other sources that do not include forum posts from anonymous users, we would be glad to include them. ~ UBeR (talk) 02:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You seem to insist on misunderstanding, I am not suggesting allowing "soapboxing" as you refer to it as, where entries would read as "Joymax says this, but it is a lie because Rev6 says this" or visa vera, but simply allowing both sides to present their information in a non-confrontational way such as "Joymax claims this to be true, while Silkroadforums claims this is infact the truth".

Saying that the Wiki for Silkroad Online will be neutral, and all reliable sources will be allowed to be cited for enteries, but only Joymax Co. postings will be considered as a reliable source, is exceptionally limiting as to presenting a true Wiki listing. I personally will not be holding my breath waiting for them to make offical post(s) verifying for example that they intentionally understaff customer support because customer satisifaction is just not that important to them, or that they are infact allowing goldfarming bots to clog servers to increase sales of premium login tickets.

Of course this is all conjecture, and probably not true, but how does one add to the wiki lets say for example the very obvious fact that customer support for Silkroad Online is very obviously understaffed (one forum moderator account for 23-or-so servers with a population of 3,500 to 2,000 players each I believe qualifies as being understaffed)if Joymax Co. does not present the information themselves?

Thousands and thousands of complaints in forums both offical and non are apperently only "hearsay" and unverifiable, and 3d party site information refering to this problem would be classed as "unreliable". So then does the fact that one account (Sparta)Morningdew is trying to service 40+K players simply just become not a problem anymore with Silkroad Online because it cannot be properly documented though Joymax Co. postings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.192.174 (talk) 05:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You see, a lot of stuff is just opinion-based, rather than fact-based, like an encyclopedia should be. Feel free to rant about Joymax all you want on your blog or Internet forums, but this is not the place to do so without reliable sources. Internet forums are not reliable sources, per Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources. I did not make these rules, but am simply making sure you follow what is required for a reasonable entry on Wikipedia. How you personally feel about Joymax may very well not be very encyclopedic. This is an encyclopedia we are trying to build. Why should Wikipedia be a soapbox for complaints if no other reliable sources make these claims? That is the basic assumption Wikipedia makes regarding its policies on inclusion. ~ UBeR (talk) 05:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I wonder if you even are reading what I write, or just take a quick glance and start spouting off on having to protect the page from people wanting to turn the Wiki into a rant zone. I am finished on this topic as I realise any discussion with you on this matter is pointless. If you were not so narrowminded, you would probably find it laughable that you insist that this Wiki page be only information that is totally unbiased, as Wiki is supposed to be, and then insist that only Joymax Co., who is definately biased in their own favor, will be the only source allowed to provide any information for access by the public in this Wiki page as any other information from any other source will be found as unacceptable for inclusion because it is not issued by Joymax Co.

That the earth orbits the sun is fact. That the earth is round is fact. That steel will actually float when placed in a pool of mercury is fact. Joymax Co. stating that they are "Winning the war on bots" or "provide an excellent gaming experience" is nothing more then their personal opinion. What you are doing is offering on Wiki Joymax Co. opinions and statements as uncontestable fact, not as just the personal opinions they are. And then refusing to allow any other statements or claims other then Joymax Co.s as they are also opinion based is very biased, even if you do not see this or admit it.

I am sure that Joymax Co. will love the finished product of the Silkroad Online Wiki page, it will probably read like an ad copy advertisment for playing Silkroad Online. Too bad that in reality this Wiki page will be totally inaccurate and absolutely misleading about the serverity and number of problems Silkroad Online is currently suffering, if any mention of problems are even allowed at all. But I suppose this is nothing more then just a minor and unimportant detail? At least you will have the solace knowing that you have vigorously unbiasedly defended a Wiki page dedicated to Joymax Co.s sole point of view of their product from any information gathered from any other source then they themselves decide to provide. And that seems to be the important thing to you here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.192.174 (talk) 07:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem with sources other than Joymax being included. I want there to be other sources, so long as they are considered reliable by Wikipedia's standards. That is my only point. ~ UBeR (talk) 16:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] translate to arabic

I am thinking to translate this article to arabic, and rewrite it in arabic wikipedia :), any advices ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sindid2 (talk • contribs) 08:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)