Talk:Sikh Rajputs
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There is no caste in Sikhism.
The article is so POV that it stinks of communal rhetoric and bias. There is not a single source quoted or cited as proof for the absurd claims you make. What, the Hindu families just GAVE their eldest born sons up to a new faith that they new nothing of? Why didnt they join it themselves with all their sons? This is a lie and purported by the RSS and Hindutva extremist fanatics.
Sikhs converted out of love for the peaceful and divine Guru's words of love and equality, not to destroy Muslims. They become militarised, but this was not against Muslims. In fact, many Muslims enjoyed high positions within the Khalsa too!
I have never read such lies before and demand you to show proof with referenced evidence.
[edit] Deserves to be deleted
The article is highly malicious, furthering false propoganda , based on some confused idealogical identity.Ajjay (talk) 06:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
No Ajjay it just needed some necessary cleanup, having known many sikh rajputs personally, i felt the need to accurately portray the community. I agree it stinks of POV, the author is so hung up on Hindu origin of rajputs that he forgets that it is about Sikh Rajputs, Sikh rajput villages converted enmasse to sikhism and not one son at a time the author is talking about Brahman/khatri tradition of Punjab to convert the eldest son to sikhism, also Mair Rajputs are not Rajputs but Goldsmiths or Suniar. Sikh Rajput, Brahman and Mair are three different castes. Also, Sikh Rajputs don't call themselves Hindu or just rajputs, they have been Sikhs for centuries now. For more information visit http://www.sikhrajput.com, the only official source of the Sikh Rajput community of Punjab region on the web which is affiliated to the Sikh Rajput Association of India. There have been many well-known Sikh Rajputs in modern times notable among them were Ex-MLA Surjit singh Minhas (longest serving speaker of Punjab Assembly), Talwinder singh Parmar(founder of Babbar Khalsa International), Joginder Singh Puar who was the Vice-Chancelor of Punjabi University, Patiala, Former finacial commissioner of Punjab K.S Janjua to name a few.
This is entirley pov.Instead of having seperate article for every religion rajputs follow, it should be mentioned in Rajput article.Ajjay (talk) 07:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Ironically, sometime ago, this is what you stated on Talk:Rajput: "If any mention has to be made for sikhs and rajputs , there is a seperate article Sikh Rajputs." Why should the article be deleted now that you've changed your mind? Sikh Rajputs are a reality, they won't cease to be exist if this article is deleted. 220.227.179.4 (talk) 14:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah!But i haven't changed my mind.I have become more knowledgeable.Also it is easy to discuss in one page than discussng one thing on two pages.What say?!And my suggestion is against the propaganda style writing, and not against facts, which unfortunatly are missing here.Ajjay (talk) 15:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Sikhism and Punjabi Rajputs
Punjabi Hindus hold Sikhism in high regard, many Punjabi Hindus not only in India but worldwide today visit their local Gurudwaras regularly and adhere to the preaching’s of the Guru Granth Sahib. Sikhism is traditionally seen as a religion of warriors who were protectors of Hindus and Dharma against marauding Islamic invaders who sought to convert Hindus to Islam by lethal force and against oppressive Mughal government and religious extremism of Mughal Emperors and specially that of Aurangzeb.
There has been a long standing practice in Punjab which still continuous where Hindu families give their first born son to the Guru to be baptized as a Khalsa Sikh and join the Guru’s army of protectors. This practice started when Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 asked the Hindu families to give him their eldest sons to help raise the new Khalsa Army to protect Dharma and all against Mughal tyranny and forced conversions to Islam. As it is the Hindu religious duty of every Kshatriya including every Rajput to bear arms and protect society and the Dharma, local Punjabi Hindu Kshtriya families including Rajputs living in Punjab keenly supported the Guru and offered him their eldest sons all too willingly and the tradition continued hence many Punjabi Rajput families too have been giving their eldest sons to be enrolled in the Guru’s Army and baptized as Khalsa Sikhs. Thus there are many Hindu, Punjabi Hindu Rajput and Punjabi Hindu Mair Rajput families whose kin are proud followers of Sikhism today with their eldest sons as baptized Khalsa Sikhs. Thus there are many Sikhs who call themselves "Sikh Rajputs" today and still use Rajput family names.
Atulsnischal (talk) 20:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
"There has been a long standing practice in Punjab which still continuous where Hindu families give their first born son to the Guru to be baptized as a Khalsa Sikh and join the Guru’s army of protectors. This practice started when Guru Gobind Singh in 1699 asked the Hindu families to give him their eldest sons to help raise the new Khalsa Army to protect Dharma and all against Mughal tyranny and forced conversions to Islam. As it is the Hindu religious duty of every Kshatriya including every Rajput to bear arms and protect society and the Dharma, local Punjabi Hindu Kshtriya families including Rajputs living in Punjab keenly supported the Guru and offered him their eldest sons all too willingly and the tradition continued hence many Punjabi Rajput families too have been giving their eldest sons to be enrolled in the Guru’s Army and baptized as Khalsa Sikhs." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atulsnischal (talk • contribs) 20:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Kindly help wikipedia to find reputable references to above historical fact and list them at the end of article.
Sincerely
Atulsnischal (talk) 20:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
- Why don't you include this , which was a tradition in northern india,in Rajput article or Hinduism and Sikh Pantharticle.Having a seperate article for rajputs exclusively is kinda weird.Hindus, who were not rajputs, were also following this tradition.Should there be an article for each caste group of Sikhism.Wouldn't, and probably is, it defeat the general vision and values of Sikhism.In this age when barriers between different communities are fast breaking, what is the use of following a hardliner stance.Ajjay (talk) 15:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
