Talk:Sigil (Dungeons & Dragons)

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[edit] Infinitely Large

People seem to misread the description. The great wheel that comprises the outlands is infinite, the spire is not. The spire merely rises up above the clouds to an "unreachable height." It is true that the spire is always able to be seen, but it is not of infinite height. Because of this, I have modified the article to coincide with the material provided. -Emhilradim 20:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[1] disagrees. Also, the second edition guides say basically the same thing, though less clearly:
"Sigil stands at the very heart of the plane, balanced on a spire that disappears into nothingness above." — Sigil and Beyond
Sigil residing atop the (supposedly) infinite Spire is one of those little things of Planescape where some people believe it one way and some other other. The original wording reflects this, the new does not. Also, the Lady of Pain does not live in The Lady's Ward.
"It's always The Lady's Ward, not the Lady's Ward, because they're talking about the Lady of Pain here. Not that she's got a house there, or that she appears there more than anywhere else; the ward's named so because the greatest instruments of her might are found there." — Sigil and Beyond
I'm reverting your changes. —shoecream 06:01, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dealing with Gavin.collins?

In this the excessive editting of the page makes it all but unreadable. As I belive his edits are disruptive to the quality of this article, and not based on a true desire to improve this article, I think I am/have reverting/reverted his edits. For those wondering w hy I am not assuming good faith on his part see:Request for Mediation ANd: Request for Arbitration I am NOT attempting to attack or insult him. And this article could use some improvement. But excessive notices at the top of the article won't help. Instead, I've replaced them with a request for an expert in the field.Kairos (talk) 07:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I have restored the cleanup tags as there has been no attempt to effect any form of cleanup other than the addtition of two more cleanup tags (this must be a record for a D&D article). I think a more constructive proposal is to merge this article into Lady of Pain as I would imagine it will be impossible to provide evidence of this fictional location.--Gavin Collins (talk) 07:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I have removed your cleen up tags for the reasons propvided above. Though I could agree to merging lady of pain inot THIS article. Kairos (talk) 04:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

  • I am not sure why you are doing this, as the article does not cite any sources at all. I could understand the removal of the notability template from a topic of marginal notability, but this article has no reliable secondary sources ate all. From the edit history, it appears you never edited this article until now, so I must question your removal of cleanup templates - is this something you feel you must do because of the arbitration case? Or is it because you don't want any improvement to be made to this article? --Gavin Collins (talk) 07:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Rather than questioning the motives of other editors or using weasal words like "marginal" to describe an article which I haven't contributed to, I'll be adding sources to the article over the next week as work allows. I've got to demonstrate some surgical procedures over the next few days in the lab, but as I can handle it, I'll work on putting in sources (and if you're patient, some in-line citations as I feel them to be needed). I'm reasonably capable of handling that 'request for an expert' tag on the article. There are tons of sources to add, including probably some secondary ones (this article and the one on the Lady of Pain are in and of themselves the two major spin-off articles from the article on the demonstrably notable (award winning) Planescape setting. In the meantime, let's be patient and avoid the ultimatums please. They don't help anyone.Shemeska (talk) 08:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Shemeska. I apreciate your efforts to actually improve this article.Kairos (talk) 12:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Thank you Shemeska. I also apreciate your efforts to actually improve this article.--Gavin Collins (talk) 20:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)