Talk:SIGINT by Alliances, Nations and Industries

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Contents 1 Why this article? 2 British Cooperation with Germany; French connections 2.1 Britain and Germany 2.1.1 References

[edit] Why this article?

SIGINT was getting impossibly large, and this seemed a reasonably self-contained piece to split off, with due regard for missing citations in the main article that are Harvard cited here. So far, I've found only one.

The title is inelegant. Perhaps others have better suggestions for the next spinoff articles, which probably will be one or more dealing with history, perhaps by time period. The "platforms" part in the main SIGINT article are more closely coupled with the core material, but the platforms for a country should stay synchronized with this piece.

I suggest that comments on the structure of SIGINT (and MASINT) articles go on the main talk pages for those subjects, with the subordinate talk pages more for specific questions, information, research, etc.

Suggestions have been made for an "overarching" article on intelligence/intelligence cycles, with the many disciplines linked to that article. That makes sense to me, although there are some things, among them BDA and information operations, that are arguably intelligence, or not.

I'm not sure what to do with some of the existing articles on particular technologies or variants. For example, I suspect HF/DF should generally merge into Direction finding, but some of the historical significance of Battle of the Atlantic SIGINT needs to be in the chronological history parts. Howard C. Berkowitz 01:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] British Cooperation with Germany; French connections

An IP editor removed the italicized text below. I would be delighted to have a source that substantiates his/her claim that the British suspicion of Germany is indeed Cold War nonsense, but, in good conscience as an editor, I cannot accept an unsourced deletion by an anonymous editor, giving no source for his opinion.

...Mitterrand told his analyst "She is furious. She blames me personally for this new Trafalgar . . . I have been forced to yield. She has them now, the [Exocet radar] codes. If our customers find out that the French wreck the weapons they sell, it’s not going to reflect well on our exports."^[1]

While the highest levels of government may cooperate, and there is a good working relationship with the French domestic service, DST, there is less mutual aid between GCHQ and the French SIGINT organization in the DGSE. Part of this is that French and British targeting is different, with France focused on the Francophone countries of the world. The French also are suspicious of the British ties to NSA. During the Falklands war and in counterterrorism, there has been effective SIGINT cooperation.^[1]

It is not known if Britain will receive information from the French experimental Essaim.

[edit] Britain and Germany

British cooperation with Germany is cautious due to concern that German intelligence services, especially the BND foreign intelligence organization, may be penetrated by Russians. Nevertheless, there is HUMINT cooperation.^[1]

[edit] References