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[edit] Notable
I've removed the notability flag since it is clearly not a reflection of this discussion page. If someone want to argue that this page is not notable they must bother to argue it here - not just posting deletion flags.
Secondly, I'd like to express a personal opinion about the use of the word "encyclopedic." It is not NPOV to use that term as a blanket statement to complain about style. Wikipedia will never have uniform writing style and that is its strength. While this article should be improved to improve some more non-fictional perspectives that should be in the form of some supplimentary indraductory sections and conclusions rather than complete reworking to read like somewhere else. When discussing fiction is is useful for even an austerely written encyclopedia to engage in the fictional universe otherwise the topic is only superficially discussed. This article is very interesting and engages that fiction as it is written. Only minor improvements are necessary in my opinion. I am not at all expert in the subject. However, I have strong feelings on this because I am sick of finding releif in wikipedia as I discover a nice, engaging, article on an obscure topic that would be hard to find (for a non-starwars fan such as myself) only to have the page ruined by a long list of idiotic disclaimers at the top which state that esoteric knowledge is now somehow against wikipedia policy and that the style of writing must be changed to be totally boring otherwise it will be deleted. (whew.)
OK, sorry about the rant. I've just read the 'war on wikipedia' article in the newspaper and you can tell I've taken the non-deletion side. It represents something I've been thinking about for a while. It use to be that wikipedia was where you could get the dirt - uncensored - and find out what the real story was for some dirty corporation or cultural story. Now that wikipedia is in the limelight so much - a lot of it gets dumbed down. This starwars section which I've only noticed recently is refreshing. The uber-geek nature of the subject has allowed it to maintain that air of authentic amatuer knowledge that now gets covered up by pretensious pseudo 'expertise' all too often.
Thanks for listening.Rusl (talk) 13:40, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amusing trivia
Just a fun note... Sifo Dyas' name was changed in the portuguese translation of the movie, to Saifo Vias, because the original name sounded just like the portuguese sentence "se fodias", which mean "fucked himself". Also, Count Dooku had his name changed too, to Conde Dookan, because Dooku sounded like "do cú", meaning "of ass" with 'cú' being a really ofensive word in portuguese. --Anon.
- haha thats really funny. --Anon. 2
[edit] just another possibility
I've done a little too much thought about the whole Sifo-Dyas thing... I patiently awaited Episode 3 in hopes of answers there, but none were to be had. I checked the internet more times than I could count, still nothing. Since the opening day of Episode 2, I wanted to know just who Sifo-Dyas was and might be. Now I've finally been able to track down the official answer. The thing is, it was just ever so slightly a let down. I expected something a bit more makiavellian(hope I spelled that right). All this huff and puff(on my part anywho) and the dude turns out to be some tertiary character... sigh. The thing is, the way my mind works, I just can't let that be. So here is my two cents about who Sifo-Dyas is and might just be, with a little bit of who and how for flavor.
The official answer is, Sifo-Dyas was a Jedi Council Member who was a friend of Dooku. They shared similar beliefs as to the nature of the government and the Jedi Order. Sidious, supposedly, manipulated Dyas into having the Clone Army created, and then, as a final test for the budding Sith, Darth Tyranus, a.k.a., Count Dooku, had Tyranus kill Dyas. In effect, this created a red-tape dead end, quelled the possibility of betrayal from Dyas, Dooku or both, and proved to Sids' that Tyranus could be controlled to an extent.
Now without further ado, here's my idea: Darth Plaguis(spelling?) had the ability to control life. Plaguis and Sidious were responcible for manipulating the midichlorians into creating Anakin Skywalker, depending upon who you ask. Why? because they wanted an appentice with limitless power? Probably not. Why create another being more powerful than you, who is prophecied to destroy you? You don't. You do, however, create a body that is capable of power greater than yours to one day possess though...if you think like a Sith that is. Basically speaking, Plaguis had the intention of one day booting out Anakin's soul, and taking over his body. Why would he go through all the trouble? Plaguis didn't have the access to cloning technology that Sidious later utilized to body hop. The big power that Sidious told Anakin about, the power to manipulate life, was probably the power Palpatine later used to keep himself alive. But how could Plaguis body hop relatively safely without clones of himself? By creating beings specifically to body hop into, ie, Anakin. Now with that being said, Plaguis, an old, extremely powerful Sith Lord, didn't get there by luck. The geezer had back up plans for back up plans. So why would Anakin be his only open body to hop into? It wouldn't, because that's way to many eggs in one baskett. So I'm saying that Plaguis manintained a number of host bodies, which he secretly kept tabs on, so that, at a moments' notice he could body hop and evade death. Now, to the Sifo connection. Don't you ever wonder how the Sith kept the Jedi in the dark so long? Imagine if you will, a Sith Lord, and some dark jedi follwers of his on the Council itself. Sifo-Dyas, now bare with me, was a host body for Plaguis. Plaguis would go into a trance, temporarily possess Dyas, and pop back out before the Council could get of whiff of odor de Sith from him. Now, that leads us to the messy business of Tyranus murdering Dyas, and Sidious murdering Plaguis. They did, and it must have gone like this. Sid's killed Plaguis in his sleep, Plaguis body jumped into Dyas, and Sid's figured that much out. So then he has Tyranus murder the only other body that Sidious knows Plaguis could jump into(I'll get to Anakin in a second), Dyas. So why didn't Sid's pop off Anakin? He might have found some way to block Plaguis' passing into Anakin's body, or he might not have wanted to let himself be so vunerable and weak in the youngling's body. Either way, you can't be sure if Plaguis ever really died, at least his soul anyway. Now, I just need to figure out how Qui-Gon Jinn got the information about becoming a force-ghost(that is more than likely essential in body jumping). I'm currently leaning towards the possibilty of him getting ahold of Dooku's old Sith Holocron that is referenced here and there. It's been said that Tyranus had that thing for decades, so why wouldn't his apprentice garner it sooner or later? Besides, Dooku was awfully confident that Qui-Gon would have follwed him in his Sithly' endevor.
Tootles, Chase
[edit] Planet of origin
Can we get a concrete source for Esiken being his homeworld? I've searched google, but the only place I find that information is the same sentence copied onto several blog posts ... "(Sifo Dyas was an Ogdarian born on the asteroid world of Esiken, and discovered by the Jedi when he moved to Allistare.)" —Skope (talk) 23:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sifo-Dyas = Sidious???
Is Syfo-Dyas just a cover-front for Sidious??? The article was kinda vague... Was Palpatine ever a Jedi? I don't read any of the external comics, etc. so I wouldn't know...
Supergirl42 15:30, 2 April 2007
[edit] Contradiction with Jedi
I added that this article appears to contradict Jedi. This article states that "Supreme Chancellor Palpatine secretly sends Sifo-Dyas to Kamino to place the order for the clone army", while Jedi states that "Tyranus selected a bounty hunter, Jango Fett, as the template for a clone army he ordered for the Galactic Republic under the guise of the deceased Sifo-Dyas." MoraSique 01:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Fixed! David 22:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
No thats wrong what Jango Fett meant by he was recruited by someone called Tyranus is he was recruited to kill Senator Amidala...In fact Dooku(Tyranus) didn't knew abot the existence clone army till the battle of Genosis ..remember what he said wondering ( How could the Jedi come up with this huge army so quickly ) --Max Mayr 21:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] In-universe
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—AldeBaer 15:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Wookiepedia
Did the same person write this as wrote the article on the Star Wars wiki? If not, it needs to be trashed and replaced, as it is a direct word-for-word copy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.42.30 (talk) 05:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
