Talk:Siege of Nicaea

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:

Military history WikiProject     (Rated Start-Class) This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and regional and topical task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions. Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale. Additional information and associated task forces: This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status: Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: criterion met Structure: criterion met Grammar: not checked Supporting materials: criterion not met Associated task forces (nations and regions): French military history task force Associated task forces (periods and conflicts): Medieval warfare task force (c. 500–c. 1500) Crusades task force WikiProject Greece Greece Portal This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Greece, an attempt to expand, improve and standardize the content and structure of articles related to Greece. If you would like to participate, you can improve Siege of Nicaea, or sign up and contribute in a wider array of articles like those on our to do list. If you have any questions, please consult the FAQ. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale. Please rate the article and then leave a short summary here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article. ??? This article has not yet been prioritized. Additional information: This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-Class status: Referencing and citation: not checked Coverage and accuracy: not checked Structure: not checked Grammar: not checked Supporting materials: not checked WikiProject Middle Ages (Rated Start-Class) Middle Ages Portal Siege of Nicaea is part of WikiProject Middle Ages, a project for the community of Wikipedians who are interested in the Middle Ages. For more information, see the project page and the newest articles. Start This article has been rated as Start-class on the quality scale. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale. Article Grading: The article has been rated for quality and/or importance but has no comments yet. If appropriate, please review the article and then leave comments here to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article and what work it will need. Crusades task force WikiProject Middle Ages To do: WikiProject Turkey (Rated Start-Class) Turkey Portal This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Turkey, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Turkey-related topics. Please visit the the participants page if you would like to get involved. Happy editing! Start This article has been rated as Start-Class on the project's quality scale. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale. edit · history · watch · refresh To-do list for Siege of Nicaea: No to-do list assigned; you can help us in improving the articles in the same category

[edit] Whoa !

Hey I have information about the siege of Nicaea in 1333-7 when the Ottomans captured it from the Byzantines. How do I create an article with the same name? I know it needs disambiguation, so please help me!

[edit] Turkish inhabitants

In chapter "Byzantine arrival", it reads that "Turkish inhabitants" called Alexius for help.

First, I believe that at that time, 20 years after the Turkish incursion, Turks were a small minority in western Asia Minor.

Second, I doubt that Turks would have called for Alexius, because he had heavy interest in reconquering Asia Minor, formerly part of the Byzantine Empire.Hungerhahn 16:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I hold it more likely that it was the Greek inhabitants who called for Alexius. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.135.73.202 (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Nicaea was Kilij Arslan's capital at the time (although being a nomadic Turk at heart, having a "capital" is a strange idea), so there were probably lots of Turks there, at least in the ruling class. They called on Alexius because Kilij Arslan gave up on them. They probably knew they could get a better deal from Alexius than from the crusaders - and as a result, the city was not sacked, and Kilij Arslan's family was able to escape to Constantinople. Adam Bishop 16:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Nice twist. But I very much doubt that Alexius would have sacked a city with a Greek majority. Were any of Kilij Arslan's family members in Constantinople ancestors of John Axuchos? Hungerhahn 16:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Well no, he wouldn't have, but the crusaders would have if the Byzantines hadn't intervened. I don't think John Axuch was related to them, as Axuch's background is unknown, aside from being a Turk. He was probably the son of a Turk taken captive in battle somewhere. Adam Bishop 17:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)