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[edit] Question about Handsworth Park

Hi, I'm responding to your question at Wikipedia:Newcomers help page. If you let me know what was the name of the file then I can delete it for you.--Commander Keane 17:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Or, if you are saying that the version you originaly saved at Handsworth Park, Birmingham UK is incorrect, you can just edit the page and modify it - there's no need the delete the previous revision.--Commander Keane 18:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


"Handsworth Park wiki" was the incorrectly uploaded file, but the link you just gave me to "Handsworth Park, UK" looks correct (tho' it may not yet conform to Wiki convention which I've still to learn). Can you tell me why I can't get "Handsworth Park" on the Wikipedia Search. Has it yet to be vetted? Also if is accepted how do I link it to other Handsworth references in Wiki? Thanks Simon

  • I actually just moved Handsworth Park, Birmingham UK to Handsworth Park (since it's the only one, I don't think there is a need to establish that it's in Birmingham).
  • The search index only gets updated every few weeks (we have limited development team), but if you hit "Go" then you should be taken straight to Handsworth Park.
  • You can make a link by enclosing a word in square brackets. For example:
  • I'll go through the article and add some standard Wikipedia style feature if you like. Also, the information isn't copyrighted is it? I notice that it is a precis - is that a free resource? I'll remove your name and contacts detail from the article, and put them on the talk page (except your email - since you might get spam).--Commander Keane 20:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah, remember to sign your edits on talk pages. You can do that by typing --~~~~.--Commander Keane 20:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Handsworth Park

Dear Commander K

Many thanks. Yes "Go" worked v. satisfyingly.

I like the tidying up you've done as well. The material is not copyrighted. The only contentious item I'd suspect is the contested reasons for moving the Carnival/Festival to another site although it had its Birmingham origins in Handsworth Park.

I am trying to grasp some of the other instructions. Do you mean I must type in "..____" or is it just "____" or even "----"? Repeat please.

I was going to go to the other Handsworth references (some of them - not the Handsworth in Sheffield) and insert a link back to my entry but although I am not unfamiliar with hyperlink insertion, i can't quite understand your instructions. Do square brackets make the insertion become a hyperlink?

Best Simon

Well to type your signature you literally type the tilda 4 times. The tilda looks like ~. So if you put ~~~~ on any page, when you save (or show preview) your signature and date will be displayed.
The linking examples I gave you were for internal links - to other Wikipedia articles. What you probably want is to know how to do external links. Examples:
--Commander Keane 23:04, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


Dear Commander

When I try to edit my entry. Carnival is misspelled as "Carnivale" the edit link brings up only the references and not the main body of text.

Sorry to bother you with all these questions as I learn. Also did you put in the link to Handsworth Park in the Handsworth reference? I wasn't me as far as I know as I could not bring up that part of the text. Any reasons?

S

You are not bothering me - helping new users is what I like doing around here! The problem you are having with not being able to edit "Carnivale" is that you are using the [edit] button near the "References" section instead of the "edit this page" tab which is at the very top of the page. Using "edit this page" will allow you to view/edit the whole article.
I didn't add the link to Handsworth Park in Handsworth, West Midlands - it existed previously. Oh yes, and try to rember to sign - it makes it easier for me to make it to your talk page.--Commander Keane 23:18, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I should probably mention that ~~~~ doesn't work in edit summaries, just normal pages.--Commander Keane 23:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Roma people

I'd removed the references you added. Roma is nation of cca 8 millions and the links you added do not really feel as /that/ relevant for the article. Pavel Vozenilek 19:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

You can use Category:Roma people to classify your article. The main article is already too big and should be splitted. Alternatively, Category:History of Roma people could be used (I can create it you prefere).
Using category means adding text like [[Category:XYZ]] to the bottom of the article. Pavel Vozenilek 22:23, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Patch Park

Can you help wikify my latest entry on Black Patch Park? Also, a volunteer has taken out my x-reference to Roma people (I realise this is a v.sensitive issue) but the history of this park revolves around the way the Romany were evicted from it. My long term friend - a Gypsy and campaigner for Gypsy rights and author of a book on Gypsies of the New Forest - Len Smith - has told me that Black Patch Park is well known in Romany History. We now have the irony that the present campaign to protect the park is being assisted by the descendents of the very families who were forcibly evicted from the Black Patch to create a park for the new industrial workers. Do you not think this is a Roma People case study worthy of a x-reference between Black Patch and Roma people?

Many thanks for your assistance. By the way i do not resent the editing. it is what Wiki is all about and i appreciate the opportunity to make the case but in order to do it properly I value your help. Simon

  • Roma people. The place to discuss whether or not the references should be included is on the talk page of Roma people: Talk:Roma people. See what other editors think there.
  • I will gladly take a look at Black Patch Park for you.
  • Please remeber to sign. I explained it above, but if you want further explantion on how to do it I will happily elaborate.--Commander Keane 20:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Signing

You just need to use ~~~~ on talk pages (user talk pages and article talk pages) when you make a new comment. Articles are never signed. You place it after your comment. Don't worry about the comments you haven't signed previosuly, just sign from now on. For example when I make this comment (explaining how to sign) I will place ~~~~ at the end, and you will see: Commander Keane 22:48, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fred Dineage vs Fred Dinenage

Hi Sibadd!

I've just unpicked the changes you made, where you converted all references to Fred Dinenage to Fred Dineage and then attempted to redirect the article.

Mr Dinenage's name is spelt Dinenage, despite its pronunciation. You can see this by visiting the Meridian website, Transdiffusion and Fred Dinenage at the Internet Movie Database.

Let me know on my talk page if you've got any questions! ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 11:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Sibadd!
Heh, don't worry about it! If you lined up all the embarassing mistakes I've made on the 'pedia from end to end... well, it's a long, long list, put it that way! I only knew about Fred's spelling in the first place because of a long thread some years ago on Paramount Teletext, of all places. Eventually, to solve the question, someone from Paramount rang Meridian and asked them - and they put the guy through to Fred and he laughingly confirmed it. It's stuck in my mind since then! It's also one of those regular threads that pop up on MHPchat every couple of months.
So, don't let in bother you! You did right making the changes you thought were right (as we say here: Be Bold!). Keep adding stuff to Wikipedia. We need you! Cheers :) ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 10:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] inserting image

Hi, I'm a friend of commander keane and here to help. First you have to upload the image you want from the toolbox on the left side (upload file). If it's already uploaded, then you have to type [[Image:Portrait.jpg|thumb|This is a portrait of someone.]] Let me (or commander keane) know if you have some more questions. Happy editing. :) Gflores Talk 02:33, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

In reply to your email, I presume you are talking about Image:BlackPatchSnow.jpg for Black Patch Park. It needs to be under a particular license, an acceptable one at that. Choose one from Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and ensure your friend, Karen, approves of it. You can try {{CopyrightedFreeUse}} or {{No rights reserved}} or {{GFDL}} or any others in the sections of for image creators, public domain, free licenses, or fair use in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. hope that answers your query. -- Zondor 12:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

including information about the author would be nice. -- Zondor 12:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the new license edit, it looks acceptable. It has as much information as possible to help maintain it. You can sign your username with it. You may want to add email addresses but that may be too much. -- Zondor 13:13, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks Zondor Sibadd 16:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)[

[edit] Denys Rayner

You can ask me questions anytime on talk page, that's fine! I guess someone will edit your writing sooner or later (edited mercilessly is the popular phrase for it) and conflicts can be frustrating. If you keep cool, all will be well.

I read Denys Rayner and found it to be very enjoyable. I fixed up the images so the captions display. Other that that I couldn't find anything to improve! If you are looking for ways to better an article you can take a look at Wikipedia:Featured articles for inspiration.--Commander Keane 14:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I have made a note/comment via the 'Discussion' tab on the Denys Rayner article. Suggest it would be usefull if all the discussion re Denys takes place there so that all readers of the main article can comment if they feel the need. Boatman 08:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Denys Rayner photo copyright

Mmm, this sounds tricky. If you feel you own the photo you could release it under a free licence, but I feel that it's a bit like Charles Dickens giving up a copy of his latest novel - you don't really own it (but I'm not a lawyer or anything like that, just a guess).

However, we can use a copyrighted photo from a book under the Fair use provision. For example, if the image is the only one available of him, then it would be fair use (even though it is copyrighted). In that case you would use {{Fair use in|Denys Rayner}} on the image page.--Commander Keane 04:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Google query

Sorry for not responsing to your google query, I did read it before but it slipped my mind. The way google indexes (records) web pages is something of a mystery. Sometimes it will index a Wikipedia page in two days. In this case I think google will pick it up eventually, we will just have to be patient. I don't think we can influence google indexing. Howver, for a better google explanation you might like to try the Reference desk.--04:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:DenysRayner1943.jpg

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[edit] Copyright etc

Hi. To my knowledge physical ownership of a print of a photograph doesn't confer any ownership of the copyright or an implied licence to copy. Morwen - Talk 14:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Darn it, but thanks, Morwen Sibadd 15:06, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kingdom Hall

Its on Tiego Ave in Toronto, Ontario. joshbuddytalk 18:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

many thanks. Your answer passed on to the person who asked. Sibadd 18:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On userpages

As a note, it's generally considered bad form to ask comments on the actual userpage (like you did on User:Commander Keane - do it on the talk page instead. Thanks! JJE 21:14, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. lessons beiong learned Sibadd 21:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black Patch move

Taking a look at Talk:Black Patch Park, Natalya seems to agree that a merge is needed. The correct procedure is to add merge tags to both articles (Natalya has already done this) and then discuss what the better title should be. There is no need to contact the original author of Black Patch, since they have no ownership of the article. However you can if you wish, it seems to be Etat (they haven't edited for a month though).

So just wait a few days for discussion, and carry out the merge of material into Black Patch Park. Once you have merged the info in to Black Patch Park you can make Black Patch a redirect to Black Patch Park (by replacing it's contents with #REDIRECT [[Black Patch Park]]). If you want some help merging, just ask me.--Commander Keane 04:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I forgot to deal with the issue of disambiguation. Instead of redirecting Black Patch we could make it a disambiguation page, with Black Patch Park one of the entries. Just give me a shout if you need a hand with that.--Commander Keane 05:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Commander Keane. I think Black Patch Park might be better becasue there are somany Black Patch's in UK and possibly elsewhere. it's a generic name for many post-industrial waste spaces! Sowe could have a reference back to Black Patch Park or a disambiguation (sorry still not on top of this)next time a Black Patch entry for elsewhere appears in Wiki Sibadd 16:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Black Patch merge with Black Patch Park

The merge looks good, thanks for taking care of it. My only suggestion might be to rearrange the pictures so they flow with the article a little better and don't move the contents around, but that's just a stylistic choice. :) One suggestion, you might want to employ the use of the "Show preview" button more (if you are not doing so already). That way, you can see what your edit will look like before you save the page, and if you want to change it you won't have to re-edit it, making it a bit easier.

Commander Keane had a point above about turning Black Patch into a disambiguation page (rather than a redirect) - this sounds like a good idea, and I'll bring the idea up on the talk page. Please add your thoughts. -- Natalya 15:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Handsworth Park links - inconsistency

Links can be hard to work with! I've gone ahead and formatted the links on the two pages, but I'll try and explain the different ways they work so you can change them as you would like, and know for next time.

  • By typing the URL of the link, you get the link as a URL.
Typing:
http://www.google.com
Makes:
http://www.google.com
  • By putting the URL in single brackets, you get a numbered link.
Typing:
[http://www.google.com]
Makes:
[2]
  • By putting the URL in single brackets and then putting text after the URL but still in the brackets, you get a link with whatever the text is.
Typing:
[http://www.google.com Google]
Makes:
Google
  • And finally, by putting text outside of the brackets after a link, you get regular text, plus whatever you had with the brackets.
Typing:
[http://www.google.com Google], a search engine
Makes:
Google, a search engine

I hope that helps! For more information, you can take a look at the "How to link" section of External links. -- Natalya 22:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Really really helpful even though iot;s straightforward once explained. Many thanks, Natalya Sibadd 02:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome! I'm glad it was helpful :) -- Natalya 03:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Can you explain type of copyright

[3]: It's certainly copyrighted and too restrictive for Wikipedia in that you can't reproduce, reprint, or freely used. It really fits into none of any of the free license categories. The only one that can be considered is Fair Use, that is, in small or reduced proportions and that is used fairly. Fair use can be things like samples, logo, cover arts, promotional material, screen shots, publicty photos, etc. (see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Fair use). Free licenses are much encouraged over fair use ones. -- Zondor 09:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:BlackPatchSnow.JPG

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[edit] Welcome message

Hi ElectricEye. I'm a little confused. Are you gently telling me I am doing something wrong.I'm not quite sure why I have been sent this tutorial and I will be glad of advice.Sibadd 19:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see that you've done anything wrong. I just noticed no one ever welcomed you to Wikipedia. :) --ElectricEye 19:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever checked out Wikipedia:Village pump? There's a lot of things going on there, you might be interested. If not, that's fine too. --ElectricEye 19:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh that's really nice. Sorry for sounding a bit apprehensive. I am so enjoying Wikipedia and using my entry on Denys Rayner as a basis for a possible biography. Having the entry is great becasue I can refer informants to it and they can either mailme directly or edit the entry in Wiki. Brilliant! Thanks again for your welcome and I will check through the tutorial advice in more detail. I know there's a lot to learn.Sibadd 19:22, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Image Black Patch Park

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[edit] Jack Hargreaves

Hi, it looks good, I made a few small changes, and added some categories, if you could provide some references then that would pretty much complete it. well done. Martin 14:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ....and Denys Rayner!

Thanks v.much Bluemoose. Look i haven't worked out if this is the right way to reply to someone who's helped and improved someone else's work. Anyway until I hear otherwise thanks. I'm a little confused about adding references as most of what i know i know because the subject of the article was my stepfather and I have been collaborating with the writer Paul Peacock who's writing his biography. For me the Wiki article has been an amazing exercise in trying to summarise the life of a person from whom I'd never tried to stand back, but I hope I've also produced a piece that is also interesting anhd useful to others. Perhaps I should put JH's published books in references along with the Nugent Report. Any suggestions? Can you also have a look over my entry on Denys Rayner another person who influenced me a great deal and who died in 1967. I am seriously thinking of expanding the article on Wikipedia into a fuller length biography, but working up the Wikipedia piece has been an excellent discipline.Sibadd 15:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I havent had time to fully read it, but it looks good too. As for references, anything (book, internet site etc.) that can be used to verify the information would be useful, as you have done on Denys Rayner. Martin 15:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Denys Rayner vandalised

Ok, I'll see what I can do even though I know nothing about Denys Rayner. --ElectricEye (talk) 18:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, yes you did the right thing, although it is best to leave an edit summary along the lines of "reverted vandalism" or abreviated to "rvv", if it becomes persistent then an admin may block the user or the IP address. Martin 18:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Undoing vandalism

Hi Sibadd!

Thanks for letting me know about the vandalism to Denys Rayner and thanks for your quick revert of the vandal.

This vandal was an AOL user. Because AOL is incorrectly configured as an ISP, their users are effectively unaccountable when online. Whilst this may have positive implications for privacy, in practice it means that AOL users get a very much diminished internet experience and are routinely banned from many websites. AOL so far has refused to correctly configure their systems to send an identifying header that would still allow anonymity but prevent abuse.

This vandal, under that IP address, vandalised Denys Rayner and another random article. Under other IP addresses they will have vandalised other articles (they used an edit summary designed to specifically distract the Recent Changes patrollers from investigating).

Vandalism of Wikipedia is, unfortunately, a fact of life. It happens. There's no way of preventing it, and little than can be done to stop it without taking away the essential Wiki-ness of Wikipedia. All we can do is revert it on sight, just like you did. We have tools to help in this and a dedicate group of people at the Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit who monitor every new article and changed article in an attempt to cure vandalism as it happens. I estimate that our average time between an article being vandalised and it being restored is well under a minute! ➨ ЯЄDVERS 19:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: Black Patch Park

I've formatted the lyrics a bit, which looks a bit better. Let me know if you'd like it different. Along the line of including lyrics in an article, take a look at WP:SONG#Lyrics, which discusses copyright issues of lyrics. -- Natalya 22:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] The Wikipedia system

Sibadd, I've been following the development of the Black Patch Park and your recent comments to User:Pigsonthewing. It really does help to skim Wikipedia to get an idea of what is considered encyclopedic and what is considered an essay here.

Some of it is stylistic: the kind of chatty "In all likelihood they'd been camping thereabout unheeded" and "such-and-such tells us" sort of phrasing that's fine in an article but you won't see in an encyclopedia. Contact addresses are considered promotional: "'Enquiries may be sent to: Hon. Sec., The Friends of Black Patch Park, Centre of the Earth, 42 Norman Street, Winson Green, Birmingham England B18 7EP'". Other issues are about the way Wikipedia's sourcing system works: material has to come from reliable third-party sources (as defined in WP:RS) so statements from personal websites and YouTube vids are taken with more than a certain caution, and unpublished private e-mails ("'An e-mail received by the Friends on 22 February 2007 suggests that...'") are completely out.

Rather than getting despondent, I'd advise you to take a bit of time to adapt to - and we've all been through this - the ways in which Wikipedia works that differ from, say, a local history journal. In many genres, credibility is established by identity and personal credentials; but because of Wikipedia's open system, credibility is established by citation of reliable third-party references.

Trust how experienced editors perceive an article. If they put a "personal reflection or essay" or "lack of citation" tag on an article, the tags are there to help other editors, not as an attack on the integrity of the original contributor. Such global tags, pointing out an overall stylistic issue, are normal here. Tearlach 13:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black Patch Park

The tags which indicate that the article is written like an essay do not mean that the article is at threat from deletion. Reading through the article, it is clear it is notable and worth keeping on Wikipedia so if a tag proposing the deletion of the article is placed on the article, I can remove per Notability (part of the Wikipedia guide which you said you didn't want to read). So that is cleared up, you do not need to worry about the article itself.

The problem with Black Patch Park is the lack of references to statements. Basically, as Pigsonthewing has pointed out, there are statements which need supporting with links to websites or to names of books which say exactly the same thing or explain it. This significantly increases the quality of the article.As you appear to have knowledge on the subject, you should reference the article with tags to show where the information has come from. Saying that you know the information is not good and it can not be used as a source. Sources can be internet links, books, leaflets, images (maps, scanned leaflets etc.). Basically, anything outside of Wikipedia which is reliable other than the editor itself.

The style it is written in is actually quite good now. Recent edits have removed the parts which damaged the article in terms of written quality. It included a lot of quotes which whilst can be good, they can also be overwhelming and in this case, they also seemed unnecessary.

The main thing to remember with an article is to provide factual information which can be supported by sources. Do not add trivial information though as this is not what you would find in an encyclopedia.

If you have any more problems or queries, message me on my talk page, thanks and happy editing! - Erebus555 17:51, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Reply: This is so pleasing - and helpful. I can now see my way to understanding the problems. thanks Erebus Simon Baddeley 18:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Re your message: Do not waste your time writing a message to me. I am no longer in support of Wikipedia and have joined the ranks of those who oppose it. --ElectricEye (talk) 14:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Rayner (again)

I'm glad you see the links as an improvement. Perhaps "nonsense" was a little strong in fact, but it seemed fairly clear from the other entries ont eh same page that the bracketed location after the name was siply the place of residence recorded when the person concerned entered the services. Had West Kirby actually been mentioned in the citation, it might have been a reasonable conclusion to draw, but the London Gazette website still isn't that easy to search, so I'd got a bit frustrated sorting it all out - and recent change sto the site mean that all the old urls no longer work, so there's goodness knows how many references to try and fix - and of course some of thedates previously in the article didn't quite match up with what I eventually dug out for the decorations, which mad eit even harder to find what I was looking for. David Underdown 21:28, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Which is what makes Wiki so good - if people are ready to be as assiduous. Yes I found the Gazette rather hard going. You've made access (from my point of view) much easier. Best wishes Simon Baddeley 22:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Great Photo

Your photo of the small yacht in Bequia is terrific. I am in Bequia now, on my 4th visit on my own yacht and wow, I would love to have been able to visit back in the 60s when that photo was taken! There is about 100 yachts here right now. Is it a centerboard boat? Its shockingly close to shore and all the beaches here are pretty shallow that close to my knowledge. I am thinking of printing your photo out and going for a walk, to see if I can find the exact angle you took that shot from and take a current day one to add to the Bequia article for the shocking comparison! Russeasby (talk) 23:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the flattering remark about my photo of long ago. 'Young Tiger' was a fin keel boat with a draft of less than 30 inches - they were ballast keels so gave great stability in rough weather but made her a bit slower than a single keel boat. We loved being able to get her so close to shore and the fact that she'd stay upright when tide stranded. I will try to miss the comparison. I know why you say 'shocking'. The human imprint...etc. How our species swarms upon the earth! I'm no better, just luckier. http://democracystreet.blogspot.com/search?q=clouds+collected Good sailing and safe landfalls. Happy New Year 2008. SimonSimon Baddeley (talk) 02:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Simon, thanks for the kind words on my talk page (and fixing the spelling errors on my user page, kind of humorous that many of them were right in the section I suggested its okay to fix my spelling!). When you say "ballast keels" is that the same as what I understand to be "bilge keels"? like on many of the westerlys? a 30" draft should would be handy in cruising! Especially spots like the Bahamas where some of the best spots are beyond where normal boats can get. I intend to cross the atlantic this year, St Martin to Azores and on into the med, the eastern med is what I fancy (particularly adriatic sea, greece, turkey and the black sea), hope to spend a couple years there. Russeasby (talk) 02:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Have a look at Denys Rayner's wiki entry (mostly written by me) where there's a reference to his enjoyment of the various arguments about bilge ballast keels. I have a 27 foot Snapdragon moored in Corfu. She has bilge balast keels but they are the same shape on both sides. Rayner's version were smooth on the outside and were given a shape on the inside intended to create a Venturi or Bernoulli effect as on an plane wing. The idea was that when going to windward the deeper lee keel would help haul the boat to windward (or at least resist leeway) while the same effect on the windward keel would exert a 'pull-down' righting moment. These keels were tested in the tank lab at Southampton University by Rayner's successor concerned about production costs. David Sanders, Westerly's managing director abandoned these keels on the basis that the results were inconclusive - mainly in relation to the hypothesised role of the windward keel on a heel. Its closeness to the surface, when the boat was heeled, suggested it created slowing bubble-drag which off-set the slight advantage given by the lee keel in resistiung leeway. I chatted to an academic at Southampton University Marine Lab in 2006 when I was researching Rayner's life. He said he confirmed the view that one effect off set the other, and that the modern solution used on some racing yachts is to have these assymmetric keels but as dagger boards, not as ballast which remains in the centre - though not in a keel. On a beat the windward assymetric keel is hauled up. This involves technical gadgetry that would have contradicted Rayner's idea of making affordable family boats that could creek crawl and cross oceans, but it goes some way to vindicate ideas, applied by Rayner but pioneered by Lord Riverdale in a series of boats called 'Bluebird' starting in the 1930s.Hope I haven't bored you. Rayner loved the debate and when it died down he'd send a letter to the Yachting press to get it going again! I have to say that for me these keels were great for getting close to the shore, lying upright when the tide went down, and feeling safe in a sea. They were wonderful in the Bahamas. I can't say that performance to windward or ghosting was anything that worried me. When the going was slow I'd just set the self-steering and read a good book. Fine if you're not into racing or short of time - which I wasn't in those days.Good sailing and let me know if you are headed for the Ionian s.j.baddeley@bham.ac.uk Simon Baddeley (talk) 10:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright problems with Image:Corvette.jpg

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I am not sure I understand. This was a "family" image taken by a friend for our family album of a boat owned by my family built for us by the subject of this Wikipedia article. The issue of copyright simply didn't arise. Of course the photo was intended for the public domain with full permission for it's use. Sorry I haven't replied until now but I had not re-visited this entry until recently. I see the image is still in the article so I hope the problem is resolved. if not please advise. Simon Baddeley (talk) 07:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)