Talk:Siberian separatism
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This article was nominated for deletion on August 4, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep. |
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[edit] Rename this article?
- This seems to "Siberian separatism" rather than "Siberian nationalism". Rename?Biophys 05:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Besides, do you really believe that "Siberians" is a separate from Russian ethnicity? Of course there is a dialect...Biophys 06:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Siberian language joke
Per m:Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Siberian_Wikipedia#Zolotaryov_reveals_the_truth, mentioning of "zolotarism" is removed from the text. `'Míkka 03:02, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Re: Rename this article? + Russian interwiki link
Could the article linked together (via lnguage interwiki links) with possible coarticle Сибирское областничество? Does the proposed coarticle cover exactly the same topic, or is only related?
If so, should the article renamed to "Siberian regionalism", so that the titles of the coarticles become etymologically correct translations of one another?
One more possible reason to write about Siberian regionalism (either by rename or a in a separate article): a source claims that Siberian regionalism lead by Potanyin had more moderate goals: “only” to reevaluate the role of Siberia inside Russia, while supporting modernization, accepting Russian colonization as a way for it (Znamensky 2005: 117). Unfortunately, I do not know anything about the topic, thus I can neither verify nor falsify it. I suppose Potanin had to manage in the shadow of trial. The book describes the movement as a complex phenomen, comprising both romantic and enlightment features:
- accepting and promoting modern science and modernization, but maintaining a sensitivity to "ancient", "original" cultures of Siberia.
- inviting shamans to show their séances, speak about their beliefs on public lectures held to intellectuals. These "ethnographic evening"s were accompanied by ethnographic and medical explanations. But Potanin promised retreating when orthodox priests expressed their fear that these lectures might reinforce shamanic revivals, thus disturb missionary work.
Znamensky, Andrei A. (2005). "Az ősiség szépsége: altáji török sámánok a szibériai regionális gondolkodásban (1860–1920)", in Molnár, Ádám: Csodaszarvas. Őstörténet, vallás és néphagyomány. Vol. I (in Hungarian). Budapest: Molnár Kiadó, 117–134. ISBN 963 218 200 6. The chapter means: “Beauty of anciency: Altai Turkic shamans in Siberian regional thinking (1860–1920)”; the book title means: “Miracle deer. Ancient history, religion and folklore tradition”.
Physis 21:06, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Errors
- Viktor Pepelyayev, a well-known oblastnik and founder of Siberian Army in 1918.
May I point out that Viktor Pepelyaev, who was a Minister of Internal Affairs and Prime Minister under Kolchak in late 1919, had nothing in common with the formation of Siberian Army. It was formed by the order of Colonel A.N. Grishin-Almazov on June 13, 1918.Miecz Kaina (talk) 02:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
