Talk:Siberian (cat)
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Does anybody have a link to, or any result of the mentioned study at UCD?
No, but see the link I just added in the "external links" section. 128.175.205.52 20:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I have cleaned up and pruned back the external links section for the moment - it seems to have been quickly turning into a laundry list of links promoting various breeders and personal pages/groups, and it would probably be a good idea to reference the "Links normally to be avoided" section in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_links before adding anything else. Vmccar5316 in particular had 3 seperate links to the same website for her cattery and self-run breed club.
At the risk of sounding like a chastising parent, let's remember this is an encyclopedia, not a webring. PhoenixFlare 19:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] References
To start things off in this area, i've added wording stating that the UC Davis study is unconfirmed...Have not been able to locate anything via Google or the UC Davis homepage as of yet. If anyone can find a solid, verifiable source of results or progress for the study, please change what i've written and add the approriate info in the references section. - PhoenixFlare 12:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Please refrain from editing correct information. The previous versions showed that the Siberians had been accepted into Championship status in February, which is correct. I've even shown some cats and won points in Championship class since the change. The correct information is also referenced in the external link given. It is incorrect to state that they were moved to Miscellaneous class in February. Arbilad 06:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
- My apologies for not mentioning the championship status as well - I am not a breeder, nor someone that shows cats, and I was under the impression that stating they were in the Miscellaneous class would imply they were eligible for championship status in that class. That said, after doing a little further digging on CFA's website, it appears the breed profile page is out of date, as the actual page for the Misc. class does not list the Siberian - so away it goes apparently. PhoenixFlare 14:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)edited 15:02, 31 July 2006
Also, the only study I remember at UC Davis was a general study of the cat genome in general. I remember that there was hope in the Siberian community at the time that the study could be used to scientifically verify the hypoallergenic feature of the siberian. I think that the fact of the study, combined with the hope that they might track down why siberians are hypoallergenic, to become a belief in the existence of a study at UC Davis to see why siberians are hypoallergenic. Arbilad 06:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
It would probably be a good thing if someone could find a more authoritative source for the info on litter size and lifespan - i've replaced the previous links with one that contains the same info and doesn't give a 403 error, but it still doesn't look like a wonderful source. PhoenixFlare 19:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hypoallergenic
I’d like to RFC for adjusting the FUR / HYPOALLERGENIC section. My understanding is that the Siberian’s saliva allegedly does not include the relevant protein (or at least includes it in limited amounts) that gives rise to allergy, rather than the fur itself. Saliva is normally found in great quantities in cat fur (and dander), from grooming, but it is not the fur itself that is hypoallergenic (or rather, it is not the fur per se that people are allergic to in the first place, but the saliva on the fur and dander).
Dander is dried saliva that has flaked off. Since saliva is the source of the Fel-d1 protein, it becomes present on the fur and skin when a cat grooms. When the saliva dries and flakes off, the allergen can then permeate a house. The majority of people allergic to cats are allergic to dander, but some people are sensitive to the fur in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.172.0.195 (talk) 21:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Writing Standards
Just a request here that if you're going to edit the article, at least make sure you can write clearly - i've just removed/edited a bunch of changes made by 70.169.82.67 that mostly amounted to removing parts of existing content, and adding their own inbetween with no concern for grammar or sentence structure.
Also removed at least 2 or 3 attempts by the same person to substitute links to a source with links to the main page for her personal cattery - this is supposed to be at least somewhat like an encyclopedia, not a place to advertise your business. PhoenixFlare 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Color Point Siberians
Please, when editing this article, keep in mind that we should avoid speculation or debate. While there are those who debate whether color point siberians are true siberians, the fact is that no major registry has a breed registered as Neva Masquerade. In any organization in which the colorpoint siberian is accepted, they are accepted as a color class of the Siberian. I only know of one registry, a minor one in Russia, that has a breed called Neva Masquerade. If I'm wrong, please post a link to the major registry's website that registers color point siberians as Neva Masquerade. 8.7.87.67 21:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Kahavi 11:50, 16 July 2007 (UTC) FIFe does not recognize colourpoints (the Neva Masquerade) as a colour. More about the breed standard can be found here: http://www.fifeweb.org/wp/breeds/breeds_prf_stn.html
FIFe does not recognize the color point Siberian, but neither do they recognize a separate breed called "Neva Masquerade". There is no such breed. Simpley not all cat registries accept all colors of cats. Arbilad 04:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
In fact, rereading FIFe's breed standard for the Siberian, nowhere do they mention "Neva Masquerade". They only mention that pointed patterns are not allowed. This further demonstrates that color point is simply a different coloring for Siberians, and not a separate breed. Arbilad 04:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cats portal
A summary of this article appears on a rotational basis in Portal:Cats under the "Selected breed" section. Any improvement to this article's lead section should be copied to the relevant entry on Portal:Cats/Selected_breed. --165.21.154.90 (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
