Talk:Siberia (disambiguation)

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[edit] "Gulag" entry

Per manual of style of dab pages,an item cannot have an advanced content. It should be a reference to a wikipedia article. Also, it cannot be a dictionary definition. DAB pages are for disambiguating between articles that may have the same title. People in Taiwan call mainland Chinese Pigs. But this does not mean that Pig (disambiguation) must contain "*Mainland China" entry. I may give thousands of similar examples. Any metaphorical, slang, etc. use belongs to wiktionary. `'mikka 23:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Concur. Dabs are for articles that might have the same title. Poetic or metaphorical uses of those titles are best left to Wiktionary, if indeed needed there -- they might also simply be left to poetic license. -- JHunterJ 00:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Same here. Dab pages are intended to disambiguate links to articles, not to list dictdefs.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Now, Gulag is referenced among 'See also', along with a briefer explanation. This should satisfy the MOS, I hope. Digwuren 04:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Gentlemen, what this vandal did is like Chicago (disambiguation). See also: Gangsters

) Beatle Fab Four 06:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

There is already a section in the base name Siberia article on Gulags: Siberia#Katorga and Gulag. Seekers will probably not need it repeated here. That said, it appears that the recent addition here was not vandalism but a good-faith edit. "Sent to Siberia" is sometimes used to note a punishment, while "You're nothing but Chicagos" is not used to call a group gangsters. On the third hand, mikkalai's point about metaphorical usage belonging on Wiktionary (if there) still holds, and (I assume) the association with Gulags is not something the residents of Siberia relish, any more that the Chinese enjoy being called pigs. Digwuren, would you agree to adding the Gulag mention to the Wiktionary article (or I will if you prefer) instead of to the See also section here? (I'm going to remove the secondary wikilinks on the See also entry in the meantime, until we can re-form consensus here.) -- JHunterJ 10:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Everyone who've read Russian classics aware that "sent to Siberia" would to some extent mean ~ "sent into exile". Nothing less, nothing more. Anyway, this page is not a place for language équilibrisme. Finally, "This guideline does not require that editors continue to assume good faith in the presence of evidence to the contrary." Look at the history of this troll. Constant cheating and wars. Beatle Fab Four 11:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I glanced at the edit history, but didn't wade through it. If there are some particular diffs that would clarify, link 'em. I've commented out the See also for the moment. -- JHunterJ 13:33, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, your point about the mentioning already being in Siberia is a rather good one. I hadn't given this fact proper thought.

My intuitive preference used to be to have the reference to Gulag in this article rather than Wiktionary, but it might be based on my perception of Wiktionary as functionally too distinct from Wikipedia, and it is thus not necessarily a well-based preference.

Still, regarding metaphorical usage -- there are metaphors and there are metaphors. This particular metaphor is not a "pure metaphor"; it's based on a folk geography that doesn't draw as strict border around Siberia as "real" geographers might. After all, a good deal of the Gulag camps were *in* Siberia. As above, I'm currently unsure whether this is sufficient to have the entry here rather than Wiktionary only. Digwuren 18:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)