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FA

Special thanks for helping to get this through - your image clearly tipped the balance, FA within hours of its addition! Jimfbleak (talk) 06:59, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I doubt very much if that was the cause. It was comprehensive and sufficiently well written to deserve it. Shyamal (talk) 07:04, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Hello Shyamal Many thanks for cleaning the images.More soon I hope but today I have acccess to real butterflies at last.No e-mail here and I don't know about the studio yet but I should get a few pics.Lycaenidae perhaps.Best wishes Robert

Thank you for the pictures ! Shyamal (talk) 11:20, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

re: Scientific names

Hi Shyamal, sorry, I didn't get what you meant by "in Roman". Did you mean that the Tamil Wiki article should have its title in Roman? Or did you mean the title should be its common name and not the scientific name? By the way, form from this page, it appears that the Multibanded Krait is "kattu viriyan" in Tamil, do you have any idea? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 03:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sundar, by Roman, I mean the "English script" as used here. See this from Common name

A binomial is a formal name, and it is the same the world over, independent of the language in use: a binomial is rendered italicised in Roman script, for example, Patella vulgata.

It is a convention and is followed for instance here ru:Беркут. You will have a lot of trouble with Tamil interwiki and I think you need to get the input of experts on the topic of interlanguage biological name usage. Regarding Katti Viriyan, it is quite a generic name - often even ascribed to the Kukri snakes. It is usually however mainly restricted to Bungarus caeruleus which is commonly seen in Tamil Nadu unlike the Banded Krait. Shyamal (talk) 03:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh, it didn't strike me that you meant the Roman script. Yeah, we do almost always give it in Roman script italicised (it's even recommended in Tamil Wiki style guide), but rendering it in Tamil script alongside. Do you think that violates the convention? If so, let me suggest it to fellow Tamil Wikipedians. But, what will readers who don't know the Roman script do? -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
I just saw the taxobox on [1]. That looks fine and I suppose that is because it has a good Tamil common name. Somehow the transliteration of scientific names to Tamil looks a bit contrived. It can also be tricky to pronounce some of these names. But I am unable to think of any better options. Shyamal (talk) 08:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it does look contrived, because we (per local policy) make it conform to Tamil phonetic rules whenever written in Tamil script. For those who wish to know the original pronunciation, audio, IAST, and/or another notation being discussed locally shall be provided. But, we're not there yet. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
We're pretty liberal about redirects. Will suggest that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Comstock-Needham image

Hey, did you add the svg with veins on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock-Needham_system ? Then please note that RS should be placed one vein more anteriorly and that were it says RS now it should be M. Muscapaul (talk) 03:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Oops. Yes, will do, but give me 24 hrs. Shyamal (talk) 03:32, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
NP
Muscapaul (talk) 03:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

{{Mammal}}

Hi Shyamal. You seem to have unprotected the birds template, so I'm guessing you could do the same for this one? It's annoying; there's no history of vandalism yet they fully protect it... Richard001 (talk) 07:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, lowered it to semi-protect, it certainly can be annoying. Shyamal (talk) 07:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Tytler

Shyamal What do we know of H.C. Tytler, author of Tytler, H. C. 1926. Notes on some New interesting Butterflies from India and Burma. Journal Bombay Nat. Hist. Soc. 31(30): 579-590.I can't find a thing Robert Notafly (talk) 07:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Tytler

Many thanks. I can get ODNB at the public library.Just as well since our library isn't sorted out yet. This pm I have been promised studio lights so I can replace the muddy photos I took yesterday, taking the view that a poor picture is better than none at all.We'll see how it goes. Have a good weekend Robert Notafly (talk) 09:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Uniramia

I'm only really familiar with our practices in the Dinosaur project, but basically we had decided on a general classification system to follow from one or two published sources that were recognized as representing current prevailing usage for most names, and update as any changes become widely accepted. Dinosauria, for example, has had various definitions that ultimately all describe the same clade, so the differences don't really matter. A more complicated situation would be Titanosauria, which has several names used to describe the same clade(s) with various uses of the ranked taxa. Here we're using the most inclusive sense and describing classification differences in the text, I think. If Uniramia is currently in an unused limbo by most or all researchers, removing the taxobox is the way to go, as in "obsolete" taxa like Pisces (which you mentioned) or Thecodontia. The difference is that as far as I know those taxa had never been defined as clades before they fell out of favor. If Uniramia has, I don't know what the justification would be for abandoning the name. I'd say the best bet in this case would be to list it as unranked and discuss in the text. But YMMV. Dinoguy2 (talk) 23:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
Please accept this barnstar as my token of appreciation for your good-natured responses, in-depth research, and an overall brilliant idea which helped clean up the difficult problems associated with Uniramia no longer being a valid taxon. Thanks for all your help!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Bob the Wikipedian (talk • contribs)

Prasantha Chandra Mahalanobis

He was a Bengali and Bengalis do not pronounce Prashantha, rather do it without the h: Prashanta. But CRRao was a South Indian, and a South Indian would spell it as Prasantha. I think your move of the page was not correct even though you cited the spelling used by CRRao. I would suggest moving it back to the old spelling. GDibyendu (talk) 10:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree that these variations occur, but believe that a valid reference outweighs such conventions. As I know it the Royal Society Biographies are quite careful on such matters making sure that spellings match with certificates and publications and would prefer that it is given its due. If however there is a reliable citation for the modified spelling that suggests that the eminent biographer was incorrect I think a move should be made. Thanks. Shyamal (talk) 10:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Common Onyx

Shyamal I think the Seitz pic of Common Onyx is the nominate and the collection pic the Malayan subsp.But I may be wrong. I will check in the collection on Tuesday.Got 20 or so pics of set butterflies on Friday but these are'nt downloaded from the camera yet.Off to walk my dog now.Hopefully back this pm with more from Seitz Chhers for now Robert

looks good. Cleaned up all so far. Shyamal (talk) 06:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

icetas

Shyamal Note comment Pratapa icetas Underside left. On the right is an image of the upperside of the very similar longinus" under the taxobox pic of this butterfly.Robert

I swapped the "left" and "right". Shyamal (talk) 06:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Gonna be mighty useful with vandal fighting! Need to familiarize myself first though....Thanks again!Prashanthns (talk) 06:23, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Much similar to what I was doing earlier with Twinkle, but nice to be authenticated for rollback now!Prashanthns (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Taking push to talk code. Very convenient. Too many vandals replacing my existing talks with their msges. This makes things simpler. Thanks. Prashanthns (talk) 18:36, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hadnt noticed the vandal reverts you did on my upage. Thanks!Prashanthns (talk) 19:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Image Request

I see you have a lovely collection of illustrations you've created! I like the style, and I was wondering if you would consider a non-avian illustration of a newly discovered Maluku frogfish.

I've provided a link to two photographs (the top picture shows the fish with its mouth opened, and the bottom shows it with its mouth closed and its face flattened. so you can get an idea of what it looks like.

[2]

Since it is difficult to tell the shape of the fish, I've also provided a links to show the basic shape of a frogfish (these are other species).

[3]

[4]

Thanks in advance, Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Patterned fishes are a little too tough and this one does not even have the required details visible, like finshape etc. Anyway here is a quick first cut. Not sure if it will serve your purspose. Will revisit it again if I find better reference sources. Shyamal (talk) 16:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you're right; this one is a bit difficult. I wish I had better photos for you to work with! Unfortunately, I couldn't find any public domain photographs for the Maluku frogfish article. I'm not sure that this one will do, since it isn't anatomically correct as far as the face shape. If you wanted to try again, I'd recommend looking at this image, because the anatomy is fairly similar:
Just to clarify things a bit, this is the correct head shape. I don't have the fancy software you do, so that is why the background is black.
Just to clarify things a bit, this is the correct head shape. I don't have the fancy software you do, so that is why the background is black.

Thanks again, Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 16:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Bob, I think I have to give up on this one. The patterning is quite intricate, and I cannot do justice to this with Inkscape. This is slightly more easy on paper, but I have not been into that much for a long while. Sorry. Will revisit if possible - the patterning of the cryptic stripes is still very unclear. There seems to be a pattern to the randomness, but my knowledge of fish is too limited to see any clear rules except on the head where they seem to radiate away from the eyes. I am sure the chap must be really grotesque when he walks about on corals. Shyamal (talk) 17:01, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey, thanks, anyway. I'll keep you in mind when I need something that doesn't have quite so much intracacy, because I really like your style. I must say, that last one you posted looks like it could be a real kind of frogfish! Great shape. The head is still the wrong shape, but it looks like a typical frogfish. The unfortunate part is that the head of the one you were working on looks more like a pancake, and it's the only frogfish I know of like that, so I can't find any other reference shots for you. Again, thanks for your effort. Even though it's not right, it's still beautiful. By the way, the rest of the fish looks right (even though you didn't finish striping it)! Hope to work with you again on another project. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 18:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Because I hate to leave someone confused, I decided to try to fix the shape of the head so you understand what I am talking about. Have a wonderful day! Don't worry about this project. Do something more relaxing!
Many thanks for your effort,
Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 19:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Ok, Let me know when the species description paper is available. That is usually what helps. Btw, the Maluku frogfish article is perhaps a bit premature since the new description is yet to be published ! Shyamal (talk) 01:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I usually have a hard time finding these description papers, but I've been watching for something for this species since they haven't given it a name yet...I gather this I need a species description paper in order for it to qualify? Or just a species authority tag? Because I definitely cited several references. Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 03:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll see if they can help me. It sure helps knowing that the news articles don't count...I thought surely it had plenty, but then again, none of it is credible.  :) Bob the Wikipedian, the Tree of Life WikiDragon (talk) 03:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Bird lists

Hi Shyamal: I'd do as you suggest, but I think this only applies to the North American list. FYI, one of the reasons ABA didn't have a problem is because we've clearly identified them as the primary source of the information... MeegsC | Talk 06:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes, there is always that fair use clause. But in this case somehow, I see no reason for a copyvio even if a citation was absent. What about pages like this Category:Birds_of_the_United_States ? Shyamal (talk) 07:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Recent photographs

Shyamal I have uploaded a higher resolution image of P paris tamilana and may replace it again if time permits.I thought I suggested you shouldn't bother with cleaning, but if it is not too much trouble it may be just as well since I am never too sure what equipment I will have or time for that matter so I just upload as I go along. The image of tamilana upperside look s pale on my Viao at the side of the taxobox pic but the Sony screen is X black whatever that means.Sensitive to viewing angle certainly.Very best regards Robert Notafly (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, the image looks good on my screen. In the meantime I lumped/moved E. climena simulatrix to Euploea scherzeri. Shyamal (talk) 02:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

tierdoku

Shyamal What is this [5]]? A useful and utilised frozen page perhaps. There seem to be quite a lot of these.Notafly (talk) 08:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like yet another mediawiki-based encyclopaedia of life ! Sad that their licensing is unclear, so will not allow adaptation, introduction and evolution in wikipedia. Shyamal (talk) 08:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Weblinks

Shyamal You don't use image links much on the India butterfly pages.I came across these excellent images of balkanicus [6] which would be hard to better and some of your India taxa may lack photographs for a very long time. Do you have a policy on this or are you just time limited? Photographs and other images are so very important in butterfly studies.Robert I have a sore arm today after some yoga on Monday. So this is short Very warm regards Robert Notafly (talk) 08:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Plasmodium

Hello Shyamal That's clear and I will go ahead accordingly.Now one more thing. There is a message titled Anopheles on my talk page and I very much wish to respond, though there is a lot of work here for someone (probably the best start would be the Walter Reed hospital)but the user is anonymous so how? Himalayas.How wonderful.I will e-mail you Monday. Hope to post he new photo of Pazala eurous in a few minutes.All th best Robert Notafly (talk) 20:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a fair bit of Ronald Ross legacy material on www.archive.org apart from other historic material on malaria research. The best way to respond to anonymous folks is to write the talk response on your own page and assume they would check - like my response to you here. best wishes. Shyamal (talk) 00:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Bad link

Hi Shyamal Another hot day under those studio lights.Can you fix this link http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/2382/sgchecklist.htm (Main Page Butterfly) Notafly (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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Image for Oliver St John (civil servant)

It is avilable on Mayo College website, principles page: http://mayocollege.com/AboutPrincipal.asp

Atulsnischal (talk) 05:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Peer review of Evolutionary history of plants

Hi, I see you're listed at the Peer Review volunteers page with an interest in evolution; I wondered whether you'd mind having a scan of this article and seeing what you think? Thanks, Smith609 Talk 12:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Peer review request

Hi. I noticed your name on the list of volunteers for peer review. Would you be able to take a look at Geography and ecology of the Everglades? I appreciate anything you can do. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 18:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Ladakh

Shyamal Take it you have seen these pages [7] Robert

Thanks, yes, a nice site. Shyamal (talk) 03:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Chrysozephyrus

Shyamal The photo I put on the genus page of Chrysozephyrus does not do this astonishing butterfly justice. It is like a tiny Morpho but metallic green.Compare the two noting the ripples on the wing.Truly they are marvels of nature.Would you be kind to it and fix it's tiny broken left tail? Hope you approve of my links to the Philippines page. These are excellent id photos. It will soon be time for your Himalaya adventure, another marvel of nature.No excuses. You must go. Slainte Robert.

Nice image, moved to taxobox. Shyamal (talk) 03:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

A plea from Aega

Lord Shyamal Read my sad story Morpho aega and bring back my beauty.My right wing is greener and darker than my left which is how I really look. It is just my injury which is sad. Robert Notafly (talk) 20:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC) is my messenger.

Will try, but this is probably dependent on angle of wings and lighting used in photography. Maybe better to leave the original colours. Shyamal (talk) 03:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

How is your toe?

Yikes, I saw your picture on the finger nail page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.124.200.218 (talk) 13:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Completely regrown, amazing repair capability of the human organism. Shyamal (talk) 03:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Peer Review help

Thank you for you work as a peer review volunteer. Since March, there has been a concerted effort to make sure all peer review requests get some response. Requests that have gone three days or longer without a substantial response are listed at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog. I have three requests to help this continue.

1) If you are asked to do a peer review, please ask the person who made the request to also do a review, preferably of a request that has not yet had feedback. This is fairly simple, but helps. For example when I review requests on the backlog list, I close with Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, ...

2) While there are several people who help with the backlog, lately I have been doing up to 3 or 4 peer reviews a day and can not keep this up much longer. We need help. Since there are now well over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, if each volunteer reviewed just one PR request without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog. To help spread out the load, I suggest those willing pick a day of the month and do a review that day (for example, my first edit was on the 8th, so I could pick the 8th). Please pick a peer review request with no responses yet, if possible off the backlog list. If you want, leave a note on my talk page as to which day you picked and I will remind you each month.

3) I have made some proposals to add some limits to peer review requests at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review#Proposed_limits. The idea is to prevent any one user from overly burdening the process. These seem fairly reasonable (one PR request per editor per day, only four total PR requests per editor at a time, PR requests with cleanup banners can be delisted (like GAN quick fail), and wait two weeks to relist a PR request after it is archived), but have gotten no feedback in one week. If you have any thoughts on these, please weigh in.

Thanks again for your help and in advance for any assistance with the backlog. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 21:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Photographs of the Himalayas

Shyamal Very nice photos indeed. I especially liked the Giant Honey Bee an the cat. The Lycaenidae are tricky but I'll send suggestions.THe best way is to decide what they aren't and therefore might be.Are any of the landscapes Parnassius localities? If so I would like them on the appropriate pages.Struggling with Eerbia and Hesperiidae today.Warm regards Robert Notafly (talk) 08:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

How was your trip? The wagtail pics are brilliant, and the three I've seen, alba, yarelli and leucopsis look spot-on. I'm a bit pushed for time this a.m., but I'll get back to you later. jimfbleak (talk) 05:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Nice pics, the tortoiseshell and painted lady look very similar to ours, but wouldn't have a clue for most of the others. The only photos of the races I know of are those in the article or at commons. What's the plan with the drawings - do you intend to replace the thumbs in the ssp table - that would certainly look good, with consistency of appearance. jimfbleak (talk) 09:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
No, I wonder how valid it is. BWP has dukhunensis illustrated, but obviously doesn't reach eastern Siberia. Arlott shows eight ssp, but neither of these. jimfbleak (talk) 10:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Even in the UK, with just two ssp, you really need to see the rump to be sure of a first-year female alba, since yarelli in that plumage looks quite similar. jimfbleak (talk) 11:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)