Talk:Shun Goku Satsu

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Contents 1 Similar Shun Goku Satsu moves 2 Response: Why does Heaven link to Kami 3 "Hell Realm" Preferred Over "Hell" 4 Cyber-Akuma from "Marvel vs. Street Fighter" 5 Who was really able to survive Shun Goku Satsu? 6 Kanji in background 7 Possible nonsense on page? 8 Removed Homer in MUGEN 9 In Universe?

[edit] Similar Shun Goku Satsu moves

Should there be mention of similar moves that aren't related or may be parodies, such as Guy's move or Sakura's in Rival Schools?

Why does "Heaven" link to Kami? And is it worth mentioning the parody move, "Shun Yuri Satsu," in KOF 2001? --Feitclub 01:49, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Response: Why does Heaven link to Kami

The symbol on his back refers more to the fact that he is on a higher spiritual level (probably the Ashura realm). It's common in Japanese pop-culture for the "Heaven" symbol to appear on a person's forehead to show that they have access to divine power, or they are divine. As a result, I tied it into "kami", which is a catchall term for "the gods". In this case, "Heaven" isn't literally a place, more like a state of being (which ties into Shinto-Buddhist beliefs).

[edit] "Hell Realm" Preferred Over "Hell"

When I originally added the story explanation of what the "Shun Goku Satsu", I referred to the "Hell Realm" instead of the more generic "Hell". I felt the page it linked to went into better detail about the philosophy this move was borrowing from, and it's relation to the other realms as well. On the generic "Hell" page, the Buddhist concept was explained in only one or two sentences and buried at the very bottom of the page.

Actually, it should be called "Netherealm" instead, since "Hell" and "Netherealm" relate to each other. -- Vesther 01:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Wait, what? "Netherealm" is a term from the Mortal Kombat series! How about "Underworld"? --71.251.5.21 18:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Just call it naraka, as it should be called in Buddhism.Machikenka (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cyber-Akuma from "Marvel vs. Street Fighter"

"In Capcom vs. SNK 2, as Shin Akuma, the kanji at the back of Shin Akuma's Gi is kami (神), which stands for god, superimposed over the kanji jin (人) which means person"

Is this the same as what appears on the back of Cyber-Akuma in the arcade "Marvel vs. Street Fighter' as a random winning stance, or is that yet another, alternate, Kanji? 67.5.212.142 23:12, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

IT's the Kanji for "Metsu" which means "Destruction" to n extent MightyKombat 22:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who was really able to survive Shun Goku Satsu?

This page was recently (22:14, 17 May 2006 70.45.14.206) modified to state that only Gen was able to survive the Shun Goku Satsu; previously Ryu and Oro were mentioned too. Can the author of that modify give a reason for it?

I'm sure that other sources (to which I can't find an internet link) state that the only warriors to survive the SGS were Gen (during his first fight with Akuma) and Oro (during a fight which was only supposed to test each other's strength).

Is someone able to shed light on the truth? I think this is a central point in the storyline.

• I believe Gill also survived the attack in street fighter 3: 2nd impact. Gill is a god-like character and resurrected himself after the attack from akuma.

• There seems to be some useful background info here (French): [1] .

Canon-wise, I believe that the only notable characters to be hit with the SGS are Gen and Bison. (Not all endings are necessarily canon, obviously). Danny Lilithborne 08:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, characters that were hit with the SGS include (in a tentative chronological order) Goutetsu (master of Akuma and Gouken), Gouken (Akuma's brother), Gen, Bison and Gill. Of these, only Gen and Gill managed to live after the hit: Gen avoided being killed by emptying his soul just before SGS connected; Gill was killed by SGS but used his godlike powers to resurrect himself. Does anybody here know about any Capcom source we can check these facts against? I'd also like to hear why Ryu and Oro were mentioned between the survivors of SGS, and why they were removed. --Lorenzo80 17:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• I never heard of Gill getting hit by it. And canon-wise, Ryu and Oro have not gotten hit by it, which is why it was removed. Danny Lilithborne 21:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Fair enough about Ryu and Oro, I never heard about those two having been SGS'ed in canon. However, there are references about the Akuma-Gill fight, won by Akuma after a successful SGS landed on Gill. Gill later resurrected himself. You can find them googling for "akuma gill" or even in the Wikipedia's Akuma entry: (Akuma) even successfully pulled off a Shun Goku Satsu on the tournament sponsor Gill, although he left without realizing that Gill had resurrected himself. It would be interesting to know the source for this part. --Lorenzo80 18:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• I didn't find anything, and Tiamat's FAQ doesn't mention it, so I removed it from Gill's entry. In fact, there's no evidence that Akuma and Gill ever fought each other. Danny Lilithborne 23:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• No, Tiamat's FAQ ([2]) actually mentions Akuma using SGS on Gill: Shin Akuma's ending shows that Gill actually managed to SURVIVE it and use a ressurection on himself to get fully back to life.. There is a mention also in the Lantis ending FAQ ([3]): Gill is also shown to be powerful enough to withstand the Shungokusatsu in Second Impact. Although the event may or may not have happened in the official canon storyline, it's demonstrated in the SF3 Second Impact Shin Akuma ending that he can live through it. After Shin Akuma hits Gill with the Shungokusatsu then leaves, Gill simply ressurects himself back up.. As usual, the problem is stating what is canon and what is not... --Lorenzo80 20:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

You didn't quote the whole thing:

Like the SF2, you can have Akuma jump in and kill Gill with the Shungokusatsu just like he does to Bison in SF2 if you meet the requirements. However, unlike SF2, this obviously didn't officially happen in the storyline because Gill is still alive and well during Street Fighter 3: Third Strike, which takes place after Second Impact. ...no wait, actually, maybe it did happen. I dunno. Shin Akuma's ending shows that Gill actually managed to SURVIVE it and use a ressurection on himself to get fully back to life.

It's confusing, but I gotta go with that ending not being canon. Danny Lilithborne 23:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough; while we wait for some canon source to shed light on this event, I think we should review other pages where it's cited. I posted a message about that in Akuma discussion page. Lorenzo80 08:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Canonically Gouken's never been confirmed to have received the SGS or to have died by it. For all we know he may be able to defeat it, taking from the fact that his gi has the kanji "mu" on the back.Vasili10 01:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Gen has never been shown to get hit. In the game, he was shown to have blocked all the hits instead. There has also been no canon text or reference to show otherwise--Machikenka (talk) 18:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kanji in background

Is the Kanji that appears in the background, after defeating an opponent with Shun Goku Satsu, supposed to be Ten(天)? It looks more like this Kanji You(夭) which means calamity and early death. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.199.8.128 (talk • contribs)

• It's been referred to as "ten" in-game. Danny Lilithborne 21:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible nonsense on page?

I can't make sense of this sentence. I can't tell if it was a well-meaning edit with a typo, a joke edit, or ... something. Can anyone else make sense of this?

(From the "Performance Rules" section)
"the super move is performed using your sven within you by the sequence of button presses and joystick taps"

--Godfoster 21:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

• Removed. JuJube 21:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Homer in MUGEN

Unofficial fan created works are not relevant. MUGEN is entirely user created at this point.

Taiki 18:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In Universe?

This article does not seem primarily in-universe to me. Most if it talks about button presses and similar moves in other games. The actual in-universe explanation for the move is relatively brief. Is there any reason we have the in-universe tag here? I think I'll remove it shortly if no one disagrees. -- Lilwik 23:04, 21 October 2007 (UTC)