Talk:Shudō
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Woah there, "Today, Japanese homosexuality closely parallels western practices."?! I'm not sure what Japan and what West this article is talking about, but it doesn't seem to be modern-day Japan and the west of Europe and the Americas... comments, suggestions? Wouldn't this article be fine without this line completely? I don't think it would be appropriate in this article to get into the current dynamics of homosexual relationships in Japan as opposed to the West, but it doesn't have to be compressed to a single (inaccurate) sentence.
- Agreed. I have removed the sentence. I would suggest a new article about homosexuality in japan or something along those lines. The sentence is both inaccurate, and unwanted.
There are a bunch of things wrong with this article.
1) It was not christian influence that caused the end of nanshoku. Nanshoku ended before the Restoration and came back for a period around 1880-1910. It's odd that this article cites Iwata but goes against his saying that it was not christianity that ended nanshoku. 2) Shudo shouldnt be considered the same as 'homosexuality' due to the connotations of the english word. 3) There's no proof that the term shudo didnt appear earlier and was simply not written down or that documents with it have been destroyed. 4) The entire origins seems to be an uncited copy from speculation of a Japanese scholar from the 1930's called Iwata. There is no real evidence Kukai brought nanshoku over from China. 5) It should be noted that many top schoars in nanshoku study don't agree with Watanabe.
I'll try fixing this page when I have the time.
[edit] "Tryst between man and youth" japanese picture
Tryst between a man and a male youth.
Miyagawa Isshō, ca. 1750; Panel from a series of ten on a shunga-style painted hand scroll (kakemono-e); sumi, color and gofun on silk. Private collection.
In this picture the "youth" is very clearly wearing female-only garb (flowery, pink, inside edge of sleeves open, very long sleeve, female haircut, female obi). I see no evidence that this is in fact supposed to be a male rather than a female. I suggest that it be swapped with an actual depiction of M/b sex in Japanese culture. Sai Emrys ¿? ✍ 18:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- It's wearing a ladies' kimono because it's an onnagata. The page on the artist, Miyagawa Isshō has more information. LauraOrganaSolo 00:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Age?
What was the age structure here I'm wondering? Is it a matter of boys and older men or young men and old men? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 07:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
- "Shudo, in its pedagogic, martial, and aristocratic aspects, is closely analogous to the ancient Greek tradition of pederasty." BillyTFried (talk) 08:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
