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Contents 1 Yes, it's me... 2 List of Pocket PC games 3 Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine Vehicles 4 warcry 5 How to deal with repeat copyright violators 6 User:Booze broads and bullets... 7 Image copyright problem with Image:SM Megamall 01.jpg 8 Goblin shark 9 IUCN Species Survival Commission 10 Dinosaurs 11 Comments 12 warcry again 13 Anime South Deletion Review 14 Linking to images 15 Jollibee 16 User:Abu badali 17 Pygmy Hippopotamus 18 User:florentino floro 19 Hi! 20 WikiPilipinas 21 Glad to see

Yes, it's me...

...and I already had an idea about who you are...well, your edits speak for themselves. Who else from our batch would be so interested with marine biology ;) How are you doing now? :) --- Tito Pao 05:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Pretty cool. :) Been obsessed with Wikipedia stuff lately, as you've already noticed. Shrumster 06:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Pocket PC games

Hey there! I was looking at List of Pocket PC games, and think it's pretty good - I'm surprised noone created this sooner! I just added an edit to this article's talk page - then realised you're the only person who's been involved in editing it - so figured it might be worth letting you know to draw your attention and to get your thoughts :) Cralar 22:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I love gaming on my Pocket PC (yep, it's not even a Windows Mobile device yet. :) ). I'll be expanding the list and hopefully filling in the games' individual article pages as well. Shrumster 05:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Warhammer 40,000 Space Marine Vehicles

I'm very impressed with your work in splitting the article from the Imperium Vehicles, and then expanded it and significantly improving the grammar and background info. GoldDragon 22:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :) I hope to be doing the same thing with the other Imperium vehicles too, and maybe hopefully the other races' stuff as well. Not too well-versed in non-Eldar xenos tech though. :) Shrumster 04:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

warcry

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WarCry (website) (2nd nomination) Your work on the notability of WarCry looks pretty solid. If the article doesn't survive AFD, let me know on my talk page and I will open a WP:DRV case to try to have it restored. You could do it too, but I've done these before and it's important to make the case correctly, so I'd be glad to lend my experience. — coelacan talk — 22:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Will do! Shrumster 05:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't look like that AFD is moving very quickly in your direction. Often, it's necessary to take the citations directly into the AFD so that they don't get overlooked. The notability guideline that you are working with here is WP:WEB criterion 1. I suggest that you go in there quoting it and then showing your best citations to demonstrate how the article meets the notability requirement. Like this:

WP:WEB says that "Web-specific content is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria: 1. The content itself has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself." Here Shrumster explains why these sources are non-trivial (not just blogs) and independently published (referencing the owners of the sites, CNET, etc.) These are the best sources you have, in more or less declining order of value: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] (After explanation of sources) Therefore, as these are multiple non-trivial independently published citations, WP:WEB is satisfied and notability is clearly established.

That's probably what it will take to not get your work ignored. Hope that helps. — coelacan talk — 08:48, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Re [6] WP:WEB criterion 3, are you sure? That applies, for instance, when a website (WarCry) publishes an original article and then another website reprints the whole article (or many pages' worth, if it's an extremely long article). I see criterion 1, but not 3. Unless I'm missing something, you might want to reclarify that in the AFD, for the sake of consistent recordkeeping. Anyway, the nominator is now supporting you. Well done! — coelacan talk — 20:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I could be wrong, and you might ask for clarification at Wikipedia talk:Notability (web) (detailed responses may be a week or more in coming) or just Wikipedia talk:Notability, but I have always used this as meaning full distribution. The example given in note-7, a podcast distributed by The Guardian, also suggests full distribution. If you're familiar with fair use, you might use that as a guideline: it's extremely common for small excerpts of content to show up in multiple places, so this is not an indication of notability, but if the content was too large to have qualified for fair use (ignoring the exception for criticism), then it probably satisfies criterion 3. That would mean that the distributor either had to obtain licensing or permission from the author, or that content was thoroughly criticized and so qualified for fair use without permission. Either of those cases would satisfy criterion 3 in almost anyone's book, by my expectation. If I'm just talking gibberish, expect that criterion 3 applies only on full or very large redistributions. In this case you're in solid territory with criterion 1. — coelacan talk — 20:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm using USA fair use law in a very loose way here. It's not actually related to WEB criterion 3, but I see the overlap as so close that I think it provides a good map of the territory. Don't expect it to be a perfect fit though. It's really just my analogy. — coelacan talk — 21:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm looking into it now. DRV isn't necessarily the best route. I'll let you know when I've got one or another plan. Give me a day or two. — coelacan talk — 22:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Currently talking to the admin who closed the AFD. My hope is to get the article restored to my userspace, where we can work on it and try to establish notability more clearly and obviously. Then it can be returned to article space, but it will have to be put through AFD again at that point, to get community consensus granted. If it doesn't succeed, again, then there's nothing else to be done at that point except wait and hope that new sources of notability become available in the future. Anyway, the admin is only available for discussion on a limited basis, busy in real life. So I don't know exactly when I'll hear back. But things are moving. — coelacan talk — 02:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, the admin gave the article to me. It's at User:Coelacan/Warcry for the moment. The most important thing is to work on WP:N (by WP:WEB) but a broader effort to make the article approach WP:BETTER and WP:PERFECT would be a good idea too. When we're ready to move it back to article space, it's got to go through AFD again immediately, so it will have to be crafted in such a way as to survive AFD in one shot. I'll put some work into it over the next few days. Feel free to edit it as you see fit in the meantime. — coelacan talk — 23:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

How to deal with repeat copyright violators

You posted to Wikipedia:Copyright problems asking how to deal with a user who repeatedly uploads copyrighted images and articles. Aside from marking the offending material, you can leave warning messages on their talk page, from {{uw-copyright1}}, {{uw-copyright2}},{{uw-copyright3}},{{uw-copyright4}}, increasing the warning severity if they persist. If they keep it up, report them at WP:AIV just like you would any other vandal. —Dgies^t c 06:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! I'll try that. Shrumster 16:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Booze broads and bullets...

...has been reported to WP:ANI for repeatedly removing AfD notices. And he now has a 24-hour block, by the way. --- Tito Pao 16:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who are more stubborn than me ;) --- Tito Pao 17:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

(reset indent) Your...ahem...best friend is now on a template-removing spree again. I've issued three warnings (but only up to level two) on his talk page, and just to be sure I"ve reported him again to WP:ANI. Let's see what comes up next =T --- Tito Pao 19:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:SM Megamall 01.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:SM Megamall 01.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation.

Note user-create images must be freely licensed. ed g2s • talk 20:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me! I updated the pic with the proper GFDL tag. Shrumster 06:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Goblin shark

Please do not be upset with me, you must understand that this is wikipedia the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, I did not force the change of layout to stay for ever, I suggested it, I suggested that you change if you are unhappy, which you obviously are, lets discuss! I did not mean that since oceanic whitetip shark is FA it is correct, I meant to say that since most (all?) shark pages follows this format maybe we should use it in the goblin shark also, I just used it as an example. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sharks/Template_shark_article which is a template for shark articles, I can agree with you that fish pages and shark pages should be the same, but I do not think that there where a standard for fishes when the shark template was created (I can not remeber), so I guess that is why it is a missmatch between the two. In wikipedia we discuss and come to consensus, do not become upset and stop your good work just because I disagree with you, if you do that you will never be able to work in wikipedia, I am a resonable guy, lets say what you think and see if we can come to an agrement. Stefan 14:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Good point, no problem. :) Shrumster 17:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

IUCN Species Survival Commission

Hi, while stub sorting, I came across IUCN Species Survival Commission, which you've been working on. Firstly, if you've included a specific stub template, it is unnecessary to also include a general stub template as well - the page will be listed on the relevant stub category list, where it is more likely to get useful attention than on the general list. Secondly, {{sectstub}} should really only be used in instances where the page as a whole has enough content, and only a section or two needs improving. Thirdly (and finally), While I commend you for taking the time to find the correct stub templates where possible, generally a page should aim to have as few as possible.

To this end I've removed all the existing stub tags, and replaced them with {{animal-stub}} and {{nonprofit-org-stub}}. Thanks for your time(!), Jeodesic 23:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Dinosaurs

Hi Shrumster,

Thank you for your recent work on several dinosaur articles, including Spinosaurus. Feel free to edit other dinosaur articles as needed. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 20:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments

Comments are always fun, but hey! here's an idea...let's try TALKING about the article..not commenting on the people. I don't identify with Filipinos BTW... Cali567 03:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

warcry again

We discussed this earlier, so I know you want to be notified. I've put WarCry back into article space, and nominated it for a procedural AFD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WarCry (website) (3rd nomination). By the way, I'm going to remove the fair use image from your page at User:Shrumster/Future Projects/WarCry, since fair use images are not supposed to be used outside of article space. You might just want to go ahead and {{db-author}} that page, though. — coelacan — 00:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! =) I just had the idea to include interviews while I was crawling through google results for warcry and found Matt Mihaly's blog. Then I realized they have a lot of developer/executive interviews, and these are golden for WP:N. — coelacan — 02:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Anime South Deletion Review

The Anime South article that you originally commented on was re-created and immediately deleted. At the very least, this should not have been a Speedy Deletion. 15 new citations created an article which allows it to meet Wikipedia notability guidelines. I would appreciate any comments you have in the Anime South deletion review. Since the article's deletion prevents it from being reviewed, the citations are listed below: ^{[1][2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15]}

-Animesouth 18:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Linking to images

A very small point, but are you aware of the [[:Image:filename.jpg]] syntax for linking to images (note the prefix colon); this will link to an image, rather than including it. Not too important, but it might make your gallery a little bit neater. Cheers --Pak21 11:56, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Jollibee

Article is in bad shape due to many anon edits. I'll fix some--Lenticel ^(talk) 13:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Abu badali

You really shouldn't make comments about other editors like you did at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines. Also, your comment is misleading - his actions and methods were overwhelmingly upheld by the Arbcom. In addition, your comment could also be interpreted as a violation of WP:CANVASS - I ask you to voluntarily self-revert the comment. Salamat po... Videmus Omnia ^Talk 22:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

What said is what I said. I am simply making other people aware of some things that they may miss. My message stays unless someone else reverts it. As for WP:Canvass, you might as well "interpret" that anyone alerting the members of a particular wikiproject that a particular article/template/image relevant to their project is for deletion as canvassing. Shrumster 08:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Pygmy Hippopotamus

Shrumster, please don't give up on the pygmy hippopotamus FAC. I'm completely willing to work hard to address your concerns. Please understand that as regards the structure, I am just following previous conventions. I have no preference on the structure of the article, either the naming or structure, and I'm happy to adapt to whatever the community prefers. My goal is to do what others ask on structure, and make sure that all the information is there. In this case, I think I've done a good job of that, and I tried to note explicitly in the lead and nominating statement why there is little information on this animal, and why the article might seemed zoo focused to someone generally familiar with biology topics, but unfamiliar with this particular animal. I will work to expand the description section tonight, and please let me know what other information the article lacks and I will do my best to expand it, using all available information about the animal. Thanks for your feedback, and I hope to see more of it! --JayHenry 14:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Shrumster, I have given an extensive rewrite to the systematics and evolution sections of the article. I have also fleshed out the description section as I feel appropriate. Please let me know if anything remains unclear. I have access to almost everything written about pygmy hippos in the last 25 years, so I can add to the article everything that is known. Also, please don't oppose the article on structure -- that's not something I have any control over, I am just following an established standard. I've worked extremely hard on this article, I'm willing to keep working hard to add anything you want. --JayHenry 16:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

User:florentino floro

Dear Shrumster,

Due to my little learning of computer, I made mistakes of creating 2 users

user:Judgefloro

and the present

user:florentino floro

I was born in Meycauayan, Bulacan like you, I graduated at St. Mary's Academy 1965 and left for priesthood at St. Vincents, Karuhatan valenzuela

and I graduated like you at the ATENEO de manila ab llb 1974, 1984

It is hard to accept that I will be accused by an Ateneo Alumni

I lost my job because of INJUSTICE BY THE CHAIR OF ALAFI ateneo I was separated from service and jobless now despite my FULL SECOND HONORS ateneo LAW and placing the bar at 87.55% 12th 1983, just because of my prophecies of deaths and illnesses in the judiciary

Florentino V. Floro

if you read the google links on this and the decision the court ruled that I am an honorable man, but I am not like Minita Chico-Nazario

the ponente of my decision who prays daily and hears mass daily at Baclaran Church

they are known to be hypocrites.

You know me even if I personally have not met you.

I am honest, and what would I gain in sockpoppetting this wiki.

In fact, I never knew about this Wiki until a filipino member of forum asked my permission to write about me

and I do not know his identity since they are afraid of my predictions

so when you accused melanie

that is useless accusation

since Fisherqueen already re-wrote my

auto Florentino V. Floro

even if I my self wrongfully edited it as I do not read the wiki rules, I am not so literate on this like you.

Please read my contributions

disregard

user:juanatoledo or user:melanie or user:judgefloro - I informed Fisherqueen of my preference to use user:florentino floro

so after that I posted by using it nothing more or less

res inter alios acta

is the rule in law, that I cannot be prejudiced by other's acts

Do not be so technical about me, weigh the evidence ...

there is possibility that they want to ban me due to my contributions to PUNO DE CASTRO etc.

I follow the NEUTRAL policy and I want the WIKI and all to know about the news on these big people.

I know that many of these untouchables here know that I edit here... and they are afraid of the truth and the news.

I hope you will find peace and tranquility in life.

I am known as the healing and psychic judge, persecuted by FILIPINO JUSTICE.

--Florentino floro 07:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

==Meycauayan, Bulacan==

I read that you -

Shrumster graduated elementary from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school from the Ateneo de Manila High School, and college from the Ateneo de Manila University.

I had been born and lived at Calvario, Meycauayan, Bulacan from 1953-1989 until I tranferred by renting a poor house at alido malolos bulacan.

I Know you, and you know me, the only difference, I do not hide my identity

Florentino V. Floro

I suffered because of ALAFI, the Ateneo people in the Supreme Court due to medical surgeries, separated me from service due to my WRITTEN PREDICTIONS of 8 medical surgeries in the Supreme Court.

I am here in Wikipedia, since a filipino forum member suggested that they should write an auto about me and they did, but I do not know their names.

I thank Fisherqueen for re-writing my auto

Just comprehend that 2 Supreme Court justices CALLEJO and Sandoval Gutierrez and thousands of judges here do not know how to touch computer. Do not fault me of committing honest mistakes in WIKI

There is no ADVERTISEMENT whatsoever that I did.

I am just renting a house at dahlia alido malolos bulacan and live by my brother's money since I am jobless, so, consider these facts before WIKI should ban me or block florentino floro user.

I cannot traverse each and every point of your accusations, but as a whole, I have not done WIKIPEDIA wrong as others did like vandalism. Do examine my contributions and the time I spent for Wiki.

I am a judge, and I know judgment.

--Florentino floro 08:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

==Re-Joinder and Additional Evidence against the accusation==

I want to submit evidence that aside from the fact that I and accuser Shrumster both hail from MEYCAUAYAN, BULACAN, and both of us are ALUMNI of ATENEO de MANILA University, Philippines, I have contributed so much to Wikipedia: I quote parts of my User profile:

Florentino V. Floro is of Filipino and Chinese ancestry.

He is currently a citizen of the Republic of the Philippines.

Florentino floro graduated elementary (1965) from St. Mary's College of Meycauayan, high school (1969) from St. Vincent's Seminary, Karuhatan, Valenzuela City, and college, Bachelor of Arts, pre-divinity and philosophy, from the Ateneo de Manila University. He earned the [[degree] of Bachelor of Laws (1982) at the Ateneo School of Law, with FULL SECOND HONORS. He placed 12th in the 1983 Philippine Bar Examination, with a bar rating of 87.55% in one of the hardest examination, where only 21.3% passed. He was duly appointed Regional Trial Court Judge of Br. 73, Malabon City, on his natal day of November 5, 1998, was placed under indefinite preventive suspension on July 20, 1999 until he was separated from service and paid 3 years back wages by the Supreme Court of the Philippines on April 6, 2006.

This writer also contributes to the Wikipedia and expresses his views in his blog ANGEL OF DEATH, LUIS ARMAND and ANGEL. He is a practicing Roman Catholic; a mild environmentalist; and a strong advocate of healthy living.

==Contributions to Wikipedia==

I have an eclectic range of interests, but am primarily concerned with editing and creating well-written pages relating to my own country, specifically, concerning Law, the Philippine Judiciary and Filipino people. Contributing in Wikipedia since 2007 gives me a sense of fulfillment as I'm able to share to others what I know. I hope to expound more on articles related to Law. Florentino V. Floro is well-versed in subjects relating to Philippine politics, Law, media, society, popular culture, and entertainment.

===Articles and categories created===

• Gregory S. Ong - Sandiganbayan Justice

• Teresita De Castro - Presiding Justice of the Sandiganbayan

• Antonio Z. Atienza, Jr. - Noted Philippine Jeweler

===Articles and categories expanded, revised, improved or with minor edits===

• Reynato Puno - Chief Justice of the Philippine Supreme Court
• Eddie Panlilio - Governor of Pampanga
• Jovito Salonga - Former Senate President of the Philippines
• Philippine Court of Appeals - On the July 26, 2000 Fire
• Ronato Alcano - Philippine Bowling Champion
• Minita Chico-Nazario - Supreme Court Associate Justice
• Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo - President of the Philippines
• Jose de Venecia, Jr. - Speaker of the House of Representative
• Antonio Trillanes IV - Jailed Philippine Senator
• Manny Villar - Senate President
• Supreme Court of the Philippines - The High Tribunal
• Moro Islamic Liberation Front - MILF
• Alfredo Lim - Mayor of Manila
• Anti-terrorism legislation - On the Philippine Human Security Act
• Miriam Defensor Santiago - Senator of the Philippines
• Aquilino Pimentel III - Former Senate President and Incumbent Senator
• Raul Gonzalez (Philippines) - DOJ Secretary
• Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines - CBCP
• Eddie Villanueva - JIL Philippine Evangelist
• PinoyExchange - Largest Filipino Forum
• Ferdinand Marcos - Former Philippine President
• Jaime Licauco - Filipino paranormal Researcher

--Florentino floro 04:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

==Reply and response to template warning==

The above-responses to the accuser seemed to be legal threats. To make it clear, I am not suing or filing any case in court against the accuser, just that my reply are layman's terms. For sure, in our Philippine Jurisprudence, there is no such this as libel in the internet, since our penal code in 1932 punishes only written in the papers and published. Since there was no internet in 1932, any and all defamation or threats in the internet and here are not actionable.

I am only traversing the accusations and allegations of sockpuppet against me. A cursory perusal of my above responses cleary shows them to be mere replies or re-joinders. I never did consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. It is the accuser who makes this case more baseless. Hence, I respectfully request the admins to look deeply at my contributions compared to his contributions and the merits of my submissions, instead of techinicalities. I admit that I am a new user and not familiar so much with computer. But with my little learing, I want to learn and my GOOD FAITH shows that I never used any other username other than this and the other judgefloro that I told admin FisherQueen that I would not use anymore due to my mistakes.

--Florentino floro 08:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi!

Just so you know...I've left a note on his talk page as well. Nothing fancy there but just a bit of explanation, hopefully this will help defuse the tension. Related to this...I'm not sure if it would be appropriate, but have you also considered making a checkuser request? Cheers! --- Tito Pao 06:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, too...although if worse comes to worse, or if he's asking for a more concrete proof, then maybe it could help settle the dispute once and for all. In the meantime, I'll just stand by the sidelines and let someone not directly involved (you know what this means) settle this. --- Tito Pao 08:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Update The case has been closed and the sockpuppetry was confirmed. However, the working admin decided to ban only the sockpuppet account and left a warning. I also left a note myself, asking him to let the matter rest and to move forward. Thanks --- Tito Pao 12:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiPilipinas

Shrumster, hi. I liked your article (saw it in the DYK queue). Rather than edit in place while people are counting characters I put a version here temporarily. Please ignore if this note if it doesn't help. Best of luck. -Susanlesch 13:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see

Glad to see you finally joined [7]. bibliomaniac15 Tea anyone? 18:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)