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I am author of a book titled " Hindu Electional Astrology" - a compendium on Hindu / Vedic system on electional astrology. It is very painful to read the material on the topic available on the Wikipedia. I have to learn the skills to make additions / corrections in the matter. Al the matter given to Wikipedia shall not violate any copy rights. MY DESIRE IS THAT FOLLOWER OF ASTROLOGY, ESPECIALLAY THE MOST USEFUL BRANCH OF ASTROLOGY, ARE NIETHER MISINFORMED NOR LIVE WITH HALF BAKED INFORMATION AS OF NOW AVAILBLE TO THE ASPIRANTS. for those interested in the book may log on to http://www.besttime-election.com I assure readers that good material shall be contributred to wikipedia ---Shridhar
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[edit] Branches of astrology
Hi Shridhar,
Sorry for the delayed response. I deleted your additions to the branches section because in that section I am trying to outline the 4 main branches of horoscopy that apply to all traditions of horoscopic astrology, both eastern and western. There are 4 main branches from which everything else is derived in both Vedic and Western astrology. (1)Natal horoscopy/Jataka, (2)Electional astrology/Muhurtha (3)Horary astrology/Prasna (4)Mundane astrology. B.V. Raman's daughter Gayatri Devi Vasudev agrees with this as well, and she writes in her book Practical Horary Astrology that
- "Astrology is made up of 3 limbs. They are: (1)Predictive astrology (2)Mundane astrology (3)Electional astrology. Predictive astrology is concerned with making forcasts or delineating future trends and possiblities. This branch can be further subdivided into natal horoscopy and horary astrology."
Dr. David Frawley writes in his book Ayurvedic Astrology that
- "...Vedic astrology contains all aspects of astrology, including the reading of birth charts (natal astrology), mundane astrology (the effects of astrological influences on society), astrological timing and forcasting (muhurta), and answering questions (prashna)."
Everything else is derived from these four main branches, and everything that you added in your edits were just subsets, or specific techniques that are used in the four branches, and it wasn't necessary to list them in the main astrology article. We have to be very concise in the main astrology article, and then go into greater detail in the other articles on the specific traditions, such as the Jyotish article where all of those techniques should be listed.
I hope that my answer makes sense and is acceptable to you. Let me know if it is not. Thank you. --Chris Brennan 04:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Need for specialist astrologers
Now a days we find that most of astrologers worldwide intend to show that they are specialist in different branches of astrology, & also guide the aspirants. The debate is whether their claims can have some basis.
Vedic astrology has the richest literature covered in over 400,000 aphorisms, gifted by the Sages & Acharyas in the last over 5 millenniums. It has three main branches viz, astronomy (Siddhanta), Samhitas (dealing with mundane, meteorology, omens & portents, constructional matters, electional astrology etc.) & Predictive (Hora) astrology. The predictive astrology has various branches such as Horoscopy (Jaataki), Electional (Muhurt) astrology, Annual (Tajik) horoscopy, Horary (Prashna) astrology, Female (Streejaataki) horoscopy, Recconstructional (Nashtajaatakam) astrology, Jaimini Sutras (a special system of prediction), Astro - Palmistry (Graha- Samudriki), Remedial astrology etc. etc. But none of the exponents blessed us with treatises on more than one subject. The only except is the great Acharya Varaha Mihir – who gifted us excellent treatises on the three said branches.
Some of the exponents have opined that they have learnt this subject not only in this birth but is the outcome of their Karmas & study in their last births also. It is impossible for human being to learn & master one branch of this futurity science in one birth.
When none on the Hindu exponents have dared to touch more than one subject of Hindu astrology, it is now thought possible by modern astrologers to claim specialization in more than one branch of astrology.
Further when we have now specialist in the field of each branch of the knowledge like engineering, science, medicine, law, economics … ; how come that we have not felt the need for specialist astrologers in specific branch of astrology, & have been accepting astrologers capable to guide aspirants in more than one of its branches.
To cite an example, one may find astrologers generally engaged in predictive astrology; venturing to render guidance in electional branch, but when he would be asked as to how many books he has read on the subject or rather he possesses in his library; the answer shall be obvious.
One may excuse an astrologer claiming specialisation in “Remedial Astrology” if the results do not come, consoling oneself that it may be effect of his Karmas in this & last birth. But how come you can excuse an astrologer who has rendered guidance to an aspirant, who does not have even a single book on electional astrology in his library.
We all understand limitations of knowledge in any field, but that does not authorize one to claim master of different fields, especially in astrology.
--shridharvk , 2, March 2006 (UTC)
It is not surprising that there are no comments / discussions on this topic for the last one month. Astrologers shun, rather fear to talk on this topic for the reasons best known to them.
I invite astrologers to have frank discussion on this topic.
--shridharvk , 4, April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Astrology and the days of the week
This section is a dogs breakfast and needs a cleanup sometime.Lumos3 11:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I know. I've been meaning to get to it for some time now. I never finished reworking the second half of the astrology article. --Chris Brennan 18:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC) It appears that the arguemet which I had put up giving reference of Hindu / Vedic / Jyotisha astrology in its defence has disturbed lot of readers. One only learns if has an open mind. Same talk is about Horary astrology, which lot of readers are not ready to accept that it originated exclusively from India. Readers are not agreeing with Chris Brennam on this issue - refer main talk.
Similarly about electional astrology - Western readers find difficult to digest that it originated during Vedic era - 5,000 years back. The treatises even now available on this subject are much more than all the books available in the world put together
How does it matters whether a perticular branch of astrology was originated in a perticular region of the world - the relevant point is, whether present day astrologers are ready to grasp & follow the best information available on the subject, and whether they are ready to develop specialisation in perticular branch of astrology, rather be quack in all the branches - a feet which was never claimed by any astrologer in the past history.
Wikipedia is a forum to divulge the true information , otherwise it would not withstand the test of time. Difficulty is that learneds in Hindu astrology are not contributing to this topic.
--shridharvk, 9 May, 2006 (UTC)
Wrong on so many levels. Take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Wikipedia is not a forum. Wikipedia is not based on "truth", it is based on verifiability. If you wish to contribute to a wiki based on "forum" and "truth" then this is the wrong place to do it. Jefffire 10:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I would like to have comments on the matter than merely on the "words". I had placed true information with documentry evidence. What more is needed. If some one has more information then, he is free to place his views with supporting documents. Superiority of one system over the other is a matter of claim, but facts can not be denied.
How one can deny the fact that 5,000 years back written the book titled " Vasist Samhita" had explained the system of adopting weekdays & its application in respect of Hora (24 divisions of daytime)& many other usages in astrology. The book is still available, exclusively on the subject of electional astrology - as per Vedic / Hindu system of astrology. This is to cite an example. Vedic astrology has proven test of time, otherwise its treatises would have extinguished long back.
shridharvk, 10 May, 2006 (UTC)
I haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about. If you want to make edits they have to be verified from reliable sources. "Test of time" is not a reliable source. Jefffire 08:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Following points are put as factual information:
1) Electional astroloy book is available which was written about 5700 BCE during the Ramayana era - the book titled " Vasist Samhita". The book in Sanskrit language is still available & referred.
2) How the order of seven days of the week were decided has been logically explained in in Vedic astrology treatises. The logic explained therein was described by me. It is not my invention.
3) 24 divisions of daytime - has also been found reference & effective usage in Hindu Electional astrology.
How the same is being copied & followed by Western astrologers with distortion , is not understood. They may explain the source of the information.
If someone has more details , same can be furnished.
shridharvk, 19 May, 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Autobiography
You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved, as you did at Shridhar V K. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.
Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and Wikipedia:Verifiability.
If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedia:Wikipedians with articles.) Thank you. Russ (talk) 09:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree. It is upto Wikipedia to accept or delete as per their guidelines. But Mr. V K Choudhary - an astrologer - has also put up a detailed data about him.
Policy should be uniform.
Shridharvk (talk) 05 May 2008
[edit] AKSHAY TRITIYA – do not follow blindly
BETTER USE YOUR PRUDENCE IN MUHURTAS (ELECTIONS)
Akshay Tritiya is held as one of the most auspicious Tithi in Hindu calendar and is covered under Sade Teen Muhurtas, which is held by all the exponents as extremely auspicious period in Muhurt (electional) astrology. “Akshay” literally means which can not be destroyed. But the question is whether all the living-beings should follow this period for their auspicious Muhurta and for initiation of “all” the life activities. The answer certainly is “NO”.
It is not feasible to throw full light on the Hindu system of electional astrology in an article of this nature but effort is made to enlighten professional astrologer not to misguide the masses. Ashay Tritiya is the third lunar day (Tithi) of bright half (Shukla Paksha) of Vaishakha lunar month. It was the Tithi prevailing at the start of Treta Yuga & is called as Yugadi Tithi. Its Devta is Lord Vishnu, and it coincides with Parshuram Jyanti. Punya Karma such as Japa, Tapa, Dana, Snaana, Havan, Hooma performed in this Tithi is extremely meritorious. During currency of Yugadi and Manvadi Tithis prohibited activities are, Upnayana, marriage, ending of fast, house construction & entering thereof, travailing and plantation. Thus following dictums of Hindu electional astrology the said activities should be prohibited on Akshya Tritya. The said Tithi is beneficial for Punya Karmas and not for the worldly activities.
Selection of an auspicious Tithis for initiating an activity in the first fundamental of Hindu electional astrology. It has to be ensured that the Tithi is not sullied or become inauspicious by virtue of presence of other adverse electional element. Further there can not be said with certainty that a particular time is auspicious for all the human beings for all types of life activities. Auspiciousness of a Tithi is decided based on Janma Rashi and name of the doer, transits of planets , Sartvatobhadra Chakra, its favourable / unfavourable durations, its sub-divisions (Kshana Tithi), Muhurt Yoga formed with prevailing week-day & constellation, maleficenece due to Mass –Shunya Tithi, Tithi Shunya Nakshatra, Tithi-Shunya Lagna, Kshaya Tithi, Vridhi-Tithi, Pradosha, its Vish-Ghati & Amrit Ghatis, Ghaata Tithis, malefic Tithis for certain Rashis. etc. – to name some of the elements in its selection. Better the work is left to specialists in the field.
Now referring to the Akshay Tritiya falling on 7th May, 2008 in light of the some of the above elements we may examine how it is limited to its usefulness. The said Tithis starts at 10.08 IST (04.38 GMT) and ends at 06.34 IST (01.04 GMT). It coincides with currency of Krittika Nakshatra up to 20.01 IST (14.31 GMT) on 7th May, 2008 and there after Rohini nakshatra prevails up to 17.34 IST (12.04 GMT) on 8th May, 2008. Currency of the Tithi and Nakkshatra are universal phenomenon. However weekday is Wednesday in India which is based on local sun-rise. ‘Atiganda Yoga’- a malefic Yoga – prevails up to 01.00 IST on 8th May, 2008.
Incidentally the Tithi is not Kshaya in India, but it is Kshaya in the geographical regions where the local sunrise is between 01.04 GMT to 04.38 GMT. In those regions the weekday shall be sullied due to “Tithi Kshay”.Its portion (9th Ghati to 12th Ghati – considering day length as 60 Ghatis) is Vish Ghati. This period starts from 12.51 IST (07.31 GMT) to 14.12 IST (08.42 GMT) - which is considered as highly poisonous- and should be prohibited. in good elections.
The Tithi coincides with Wednesday, which forms “Mrityu Yoga”- deadly Yoga- prohibited for any good election. According to Sage Brihaspati concurrence of Wednesday and 3rd Tithi forms “Dagdha Yoga”- another deadly Yoga.
During 3rd Tithi: Leo and Capricorn ascendants are “Tithi –Shunya Lagnas” ; and also Gemini & Virgo ascendants , being malefic ascendants for Jaya Tithis – therefore the periods coinciding with these ascendants should be avoided- it is a local phenomenon. should be calculated. Further 3rd Tithis is held as inauspicious for peoples having Leo, Sagittarius and Aquarius as Janma Rashis; some opine that it is malefic for Gemini as Janma Rashi.
However the Tithis coincides with Rohini Nakshatra up to 20.01 IST – which forms “Amrit Siddha Yoga" or “Prashata Yoga”; and thereafter with Mrigshira Nakshatra it forms “Sarvartha Sidhha Yoga”. Both the Yogas are held as highly auspicious Muhurt Yogas. It also forms auspicious “Ravi Yoga” from 20.01 IST on 7th May, 2008 to 17.34 IST on 8th May, 2008- another powerful electional Yoga.
Thus it is observed that all the moments of the Akshay Tritiya falling on 7th May, 2008 are not auspicious, and certainly not for all the said Tithi is auspicious. It is sullied to some extent. Further for precise auspicious moments in the Tithi, one has also to calculate Kshana Tithi (sub-division of Tithi) period.
From the above it shall be concluded by the learned readers that they should not blindly use the Akshay Tritiya falling on 7th May, 2008 for beneficial elections (Muhurtas) especially worldly activities, rather they should follow cautiously and in consultations with astrologers having specialization in Hindu Electional astrology.
Shridharvk (talk) 08 May 2008
