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[edit] Shrewsbury Cathedral

How come there is no mention of the cathedral in this article? It is quite a dominating building on the skyline and is surely a tourist attraction?

a) It is not in any way a dominating feature of the skyline - I think you're thinking of a different building?
b) It is not a tourist attraction either. David 20:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
c) Nor is it a cathedral! A cathedral is the seat of a bishop! Shrewsbury has an abbey. --MJB 07:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Erm, yes it does have a bishop - the Roman Catholic Bishop of Shrewsbury. The Abbey is a Church of England church. David 12:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
It has a Roman Catholic Cathedral along the Town Walls, I went to a funeral there a few years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by M5WJF (talk • contribs) 12:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
It's up Town Walls, near 'The Crescent' houses and above the sport pitches of the Girls' High School. 84.64.103.64 23:54, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Severn Radio Station

It's obvious that several users think that having a link to Shrewsbury's new radio station is spam. I said to myself the next time I see it edited and reverted I'd post this. So here I am posting it. In my opinion, it's not 'spam' as I don't think it is intended to advertise the station per se, however I don't think it is fair to be promoting it above BBC Shropshire or Beacon FM, for example. Therefore, can it not simply be left out of the External Links? I see no reason why it needs to be there. Maybe the article should reference the radio stations that Shrewsbury can lay claim to, but I see no further need. Samluke777 16:20, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Double Murder

There's been a double murder in Shrewsbury today at the Frankwell area. Someone should include this somewhere if it's relevant (although i'd think it was a pretty major event). More details here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/5138122.stm 195.92.168.167 12:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Why exactly should that be included? Murders happen every day, just because these ones happened in our town doesn't make them important. Skinmeister 14:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
    • No need to include it as murders happen every day in England. David 16:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Well - and everywhere else. I would guess that the average number of murders in Shrewsbury would be one per year or less. Nevertheless unless this murder is of spme note it shouldn't be in the article.Exile 21:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shrewsbury Slang

This article on slang was recently removed from Shrewsbury's trivia section, presumably because this user had not heard of the term:

'Monnerisms' - - "Mon" is used as a term of endearment, particularly amongst the young; typical usage is "y'alright monner?", meaning "How are you?". It is frequently offered as a colloquial greeting for example when entering a shop (c.f. "yes boss" might be used in the south eastern counties).

Has anybody else heard about this peculiar expression, or are there any others of interest that could be added. I cannot be sure it the term is specific to Shrewsbury, or if it is Shropshire-wide. Perhaps it would be worth adding a section on local dialect?

Surely this is just a (relatively) recent national fashion amongst younger people? As far as I'm aware it's got nothing to do with Shrewsbury, so it shouldn't be in the article.
Unless someone can prove otherwise. David 19:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been saying "Alright mon?" since I was at school, so it's been around for at least ten years. A popular alternative, used when you haven't seen someone for a long time is "Alright MMMMMOOOOOOONNNNNNNNnnnnnnn".
I think it's used in Telford too, but I prefer not to associate with Telfordscum. Skinmeister 19:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Ah the hatred of "Telfs" (Telford chavs)... ;) David 19:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Whenever my dad puts on a Shropshire accent the word "mon" usually crops up fairly soon (often in the phrase "you'm right there mon!"), so it must have been around for at least few decades. I don't think this random snippet of dialect should be in the article though - it would be better in a properly sourced and encyclopedic Shropshire dialect article, or a dialect section in Shropshire. --Blisco 19:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there such a thing as a Shropshire dialect though?? David 19:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Maybe not a Shropshire dialect. [1] --Blisco 20:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Personally i think the dialect used in and around shrewsbury has great relevance to our county, being shrewsbury (or shoesbury..) born and bred myself and all my friends use 'mon' as a greeting, as do most people in the town and surrounding villages. How Doo Mon...
'Mon' is obviously an import from the Black Country, it's usage is far more prevalent within Telford (Shudders) which is nearer to the Black Country. I should know I was born in Birmingham, have lived in Shrewsbury since 1983, but am still waiting for my passport... —Preceding unsigned comment added by M5WJF (talk • contribs) 12:41, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

According to my dad, who grew up in the town, "Shrosebury" was the normal pronunciation (circa 1960s) while the true Shropshire-born-and-bred working-class folk said "Shoosbury"; he reckons "Shroosbury" is just plain wrong. Personally I've never heard anyone say Shoosbury but I've heard Shroosbury a fair amount in the town, so things must have changed (it's probably a case of spelling pronunciation taking over). My impression is that these days Shroosbury is working-class and Shrosebury is middle-class. As the Shropshire Star is a tabloid it makes sense that their survey would show a clear majority for Shroosbury, though of course it's not clear whether it was a poll of Star readers or a representative sample of the population. Just my 2 cents worth as an outsider - I'd be interested to hear what current residents think. --Blisco 19:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

That sounds about fair. As far as I'm concerned, the "ew" is pronounced "ow" - it's spelt "ew" and not "ow" as that's how in the "olden days" the sound "ow" was spelt. For example, the word "show"/"showing" was spelt as "shew"/"shewing". The only modern day spelling of an English word that uses this old spelling way is "sew", which is of course pronounced as "sow" (by most). David 19:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White space below Attractions section

Anyone know if we can get rid of all that white space below the "Attractions" heading?

pjb007 21:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

There is no white space, it's a common error to Internet Explorer when viewing WP. Chrisbayley 16:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image move

Why have most of the images been clustered at the bottom with a gallery? Most of the images were actually in appropriate places e.g. the Square next to the History section; this move seems illogical. Chrisbayley 21:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Because it looked a mess with loads of white space. Most of us do use IE so I assure you that, despite your dismissal ibid, there is white space. --MJB 22:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Gain a consensus for the image move. Until then, I've reverted it to the previous version but have moved the page stretching image (Darwin's Gate monument) into a better position. 212.219.105.21 09:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

I've cut out that "Shrewsbury was unaffected by the industrial revolution" as this is not accurate. It may not have been "industrialised" in the way Coalbrookdale was, but the effects of the industrial revolution were felt nationwide. Railways, canals, iron becoming used in everyday materials such as pipes etc were all part of the process, as was cheap cotton and cheap weaving and spinning. Also, there is the tendency to use the "invented" saying, "birthplace of industry" when referring to Ironbridge. This is clearly a nonsense. It may have been one of the early places where iron was smelted successfully, but "industry" had been going on for centuries!! To make things out of wood, bronze, indeed anything is "industry". (User: Justkindness)

[edit] Some good work

There has clearly been some good work produced for this article - it's very comprehensive, if lacking a little in source material. However, the next step would be for regular editors to this article to apply the WP:UKCITIES standard layout to push this article towards Good article status. Hope that helps! -- Jza84 · (talk) 16:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article development

I've been trying to improve the article lately, following the guidelines at WP:UKTOWNS. I think that the article could use more information about the geography of the town: the urban structures, built environment, geology and topography. Also the demography section needs data on: ethnic and religious composition, and also economic activity of the population. I was hoping that people could help out with this, and also to create a section for the town's economy. Mouchoir le Souris (talk) 01:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Local history books are usually the key to success with these place articles, but for the bites of info you want, http://neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk and http://vision.edina.ac.uk/index.jsp come to mind. Don't be afraid to borrow ideas from featured articles listed at WP:UKGEO either! I hope that helps. -- Jza84 · (talk) 02:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Consensus: Welsh Name

An anonymous user (User:217.39.132.9) has removed the Welsh pronounciation from the introduction repeatedly. I am not neccessarily opposed to this, because I personally don't see why it needs to be in the opening line either, but war-reverting with User:Maxburgoyne and User:Dpaajones is clearly not the answer. Perhaps a consensus needs to be reached with all editors. Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 14:59, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. All the great Marcher towns and cities (Ludlow - once the capital of Wales and the Marches - Chester, Hereford and Shrewsbury) have a unique relationship with Wales. Alsace-Lorraine in France and its link with Germany is similar.

I was raised in Knighton and we saw Salop, Ludlow and Hereford as our local centres; not LLandrindod Wells or Abergavenny (Y Fenni). The Welsh names are ancient and speak eloquently of this Marcher link. We are not suggesting a list of irrelevant Dutch, Spanish & Innuit names. Finally, English alternatives are usually given for Welsh towns. --MJB (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I accept all of that; I'm not denying the connection. I just dont entirely see the point of it being right at the start. I doubt that many people in Ludlow, Hereford or Shrewsbury actually speak Welsh and regularly call it by its Welsh name. Thus the Welsh name is only actually applicable to the small number of villages in the Welsh Marches which speak it, and that really isn't many people. By all means, the pronounciation and history of the name should definately be in the History sections of all three (or more articles), but I don't think it should be put at the top as designate it an 'official' name. Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 15:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
The reason Welsh towns have both names listed when available is because Wales has two official languages, English and Welsh. England has only one official language, English. As such only English names should be shown on articles for English towns. 217.39.132.9 (talk) 15:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I look forward to reviewing your suggested compromise. How odd that those in Wales so easily accept this. All names are, of course, historical e.g. Chester (Roman) and Shrewsbury (Anglo-Saxon). By including the Welsh name you acknowledge part of Marcher history and it is irrelevant to current Welsh speakers. --MJB (talk) 15:19, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Until a new compromise can be reached, however, I feel the current status quo should be maintained. Thus the Anon should cease reverting immediately; the user is additionally annoying the syntax of the introductory paragraph. Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 15:26, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion about addition of Welsh names to articles about English settlements

Since this matter has been raised on a number of pages now, and is ongoing, I think it best to refer people to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements#Addition of Welsh names to English articles and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements#Addition of Welsh names to English articles (2) where the matter is being discussed for a number of articles (at least 4) about English settlements in which Welsh names have recently been added.  DDStretch  (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Update 24-02-08

I've attempted to add lots of references using the cite web template. However, several sections of the article are of concern.

  • History - generally good, but could be expanded considering the rich history the town has
  • Governance, Geography, Demography, Landmarks - All OK I think, but could use a reference here and there
  • Economy - a bit short..
  • Religious sites - Lots of references which is good, but lacks substance somewhat
  • Culture - Pretty good, perhaps one more relevant picture?
  • Transport - Reads well, but I couldn't find many sources for most of the information
  • Sport - probably the worst section of the article, seems to have just been directly converted from a list and left like that
  • Media - can this be incorportated into culture? there really isn't much to write about
  • Notable people - fine
  • Education - fine, more references maybe

Anyway, this is just my opinion from giving it a quick lookover. It's relatively good though, compared to other towns of equal importance such as Hereford, Worcester and Warwick. Generally has lots of references, and quite a few good pictures. Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 00:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Looks not too far from being a potential WP:GAC. There are alot of "stubby" paragraphs and statements which would benefit from a rethink, but other than that it's shaping up nicely! -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article submitted to Good article review

I've submitted the article for good article review, as I believe it's now ready. The number of references seems adequate, and I've added some more tables and maps to break up some of the prose. I hope it passes! Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

To the GA reviewer: Please see Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#Request. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:53, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject Shropshire

Is anyone interested in becoming a member of a WikiProject dedicated to the county of Shropshire? If so, please sign your name underthe proposal. Thanks, Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 21:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA

The GA review has been archived and moved to Talk:Shrewsbury/GA. It can be accessed via the article history at the top. Dr. Cash (talk) 18:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)