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the spellings here really need to be more consistent. It's Oroku Saki, same with his brother Oroku Nagi.

cool.

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[edit] The table

I deleted it because it doesn't contain accurate information.

1) The height and weight are for the 2003 cartoon version of Shredder only. And they are only when he wears his robotic exosuit (an Utrom is most definitly not 6'2). I've moved that information to the 2003 cartoon bio.

2) The henchmen version is pretty inaccurate. First of all, Hun is only in the 2003 version of the show, and although Baxter is in most (but not all) versions, he only worked with Shredder in the 1987 and 2003 versions. So is this a list of Shredder's henchmen from the 2003 cartoon only? If it is, then it doesn't belong in a box on top of the article, and it's incomplete, as it lacks Karai and that scientist that replaced Baxter. If it's meant to be all of Shredder's henchmen, then it's even more inaccurate, as it lacks his henchmen for all the other series.

3) The enemies thing is rather pointless. It's a given that Shredder, being the bad guy from TMNT, will be the enemy of the Turtles, the good guys from TMNT. Plus, he was only the enemy of the Utroms in the 2003 cartoon, not in any other incarnation of the franchise.

A lot of this information varies from one version of the franchise to the next, and would be better suited in the right category or in Comparisons within Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. In fact, some of it is already there.

-- Ritchy, 20 July 2005

[edit] "The" Shredder

I could swear he was consistantly refered to as "Shredder" without a "The" prefix. Any Thoughts?

Not consistently. His real name is Oroku Saki, and his title (self-given, I'd guess) is "The Shredder". Many characters simply omit the "The" when referring to him - in the cartoons and movies, for example, this saves screentime and lessens the need for extensive editing. Saying "The" so many times in an hour and a half has to add up. Also, though there are Wikipedia conventions saying to avoid "The" at the start of article titles, there are also conventions that say it is preferable to use article names that can easily be linked to in a sentence. I therefore suggest that this article be moved back to The Shredder. Most articles link there rather than here anyway. -- Supermorff 15:51, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree that it should be moved back to The Shredder. It is, after all, his actual name. --Ritchy 6 September 2005
I moved it back to the accurate name. --Ritchy 12 September 2005
I reverted it. Wikipedia:Naming conventions clearly states that definite articles are not to be used unless it is the name of a work or an offical name. The Shredder is a fictional character and can be referred to as simply "Shredder". This is convention followed by many articles, and I don't see the need for this to be an exception. Change policy, then you can move it. Until then, this is the proper place. That other "convention" is weak to me; it's easily solved by something called copy and paste. Consistency takes priority, not the amount of work editors have to do. --Apostrophe 06:06, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Fine, whatever. Could we at least try to find a shorter qualifier. Like Shredder (character) or Shredder (comics) or Shredder (TMNT) or Shredder (villain) or Shredder (ninja), etc. -- Supermorff 13:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah Supermorff has a point. We should get some kind of consistency going between all the TMNT character pages. Right now, some are "Name (Ninja Turtles)", some are "Name (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)", some are "Name (Ninja Turtle)" and some are just "Name". They should all have the same format. I propose "Name (TMNT)". It's short, clear and to the point. --Ritchy 20 September 2005.

Keep the parentheses relating to the fiction (not "(character)" or "(villain)") and only use them when necessary. Don't give articles like Krang a parenthesis when there's no ambiguity with the name. --Apostrophe 21:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
I ran through the article and removed "the"s from Shredder's name. I thought it sounded tacky to have to use an article like that to describe Shredder. If you absolutely hate this change of mine and want to put them all back, I at least push that the capitalization of the "the"s has to be consistent. I saw several occurrences with the T capitalized, and just as many with it uncapitalized. --Brandon Dilbeck 07:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
His name is "The Shredder" it was just taken out for the old cartoon, but in the first film and the new series he was referred by his name, the Shredder.

[edit] Headline text

I remember from the 1980s cartoon series and the video games and movies that followed, Shredder was always just Shredder. "The Shredder" sounds very odd to my ears, too. Almost everyone who remembers the series and looks it up on Wikipedia is going to know him as "Shredder" and not "The Shredder," at least in the United States.--NeantHumain 01:31, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional?

At present the opening line of the article is...

Shredder (sometimes The Shredder) is the main villain of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. He is a ninjutsu master called Oroku Saki, who has sworn to finish off Splinter and the Turtles.

Shouldn't we mention that this guy is a ficitonal character from a fictional series first?! OK we all know he's ficional, I'm inclined to think we should say so, to bring the article inline with the likes of, Darth Vader for example? Jhamez84 11:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think nonfiction has "main villains" ;(

[edit] Victim count

I have the exodus episode tape I have watched it many times. The number of victims claimed when Shredder attacked the second planet is 3.2 million not 2 million.

[edit] Shredder actually said ???

  • Alegedly in one 1980's epsiode Shredder calims to have only 2 great desires: conquering the world and becoming a great writer.
    • Whether or not he said it, it's a rather irrelevant piece of trivia. -- Ritchy 15:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mirage daughter

Someone add info on Pimiko. --HanzoHattori 14:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mass murderer?

Can anyone explain how the Shredder is a mass murderer

Although it is implied that he killed a lot of people, to my knowledge he is never shown doing so, and is never explicitly called a mass murderer. It's OR to categorize him as such. I'll remove it. -- Ritchy 20:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
For exactly the same reason, I'll remove "Fictional mobsters", "Fictional serial killers", "Fictional dictators", "Fictional arsonists", "Fictional terrorists", and "Fictional businesspeople". -- Ritchy 20:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Why?

Anon

Because Wikipedia isn't for research, nor for anyone's opinion of who/what Shredder is. If he wasn't given the title explicitly in one incarnation or another of the franchise, then it doesn't belong here. -- Ritchy 22:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Of course just because Iago is never referred to as evil that means he isn't.

Anon

I have no idea who Iago is, nor am I particularly interested in the edit debates (if any) on that page. The edits on Iago do not set the official policy of Wikipedia. This, however, does. -- Ritchy 01:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I never said the edits on Iago had any bearing on this page, I was just saying that despite the fact that he is never referred to as evil he is obviously pure evil. Likewise despite the fact that Shredder is never referred to as a businessman, a dictator, a mass murderer, a mobster or a terrorist he is quite obviously all those things. Smart-ass.

Anon

Except that he is not "quite obviously" any of those things. He's not a businessman at all. He's not a dictator since he never ruled a country (aside for one or two inconsequential "it was just a dream" episodes like Shredderville). He's not a mass-murderer as he's never shown or mentioned to kill anyone, except Hamato Yoshi in some franchises (and even so, one kill doesn't make someone a mass murderer). He's not a mob boss. He's not a terrorist, as he doesn't push a social/political agenda using terror. So unless you can come up with a better argument than "it's obvious", those categories all stay off the page. -- Ritchy 22:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

The Foot Clan is definitely a 'mob' and has mob-esque dealings with more traditional mobs. In the new series (and I believe the comics as well) Saki is also a businessman. The rest are definitely wrongish though.

Isn't a terrorist just someone who uses terror to get their point across? If so he's definately a terrorist. His social/political agenda is that he should rule the world. Also the term dictator is used rather loosely these days, much like the term tyrant. It basically means a person in a position of power who abuses it. He also burns things down quite regularly so he is also an arsonist.

Anon

In the new show, exodus part 2 diretly connects him to the murder of over 4 millions murders in wars he started. A flashback shows him diretly murdering Splinter's master, and also murders a henchmen in the first episode.- Darknessofheart

Hum, that is a good point. I'll re-add the mass-murderer category. -- Ritchy 00:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SuperBarney?

The article claims SuperShredder had purple skin. I'm pretty darn sure he didn't, it's just that his muscles were showing through his purple suit (which was skintight from his growing so large, though I guess it might be part of the mutancy since his spikes also "mutated" into bristles). His toy at least still had caucasian (er, asian) skin. I'm watching the movie right now and very little of his skin is showing, but it's not purple. He just has some muscle lines painted onto a tight purple suit, that's his clothing.

[edit] The Shredder: Separating the Utrom from the demon

While I understand that both Oroku Sakis' (the ones in TMNT 2003, I mean) stories are linked, they are still two different characters. As such, I believe separate their entry should be separated into two individual sub-entries (as I believe was the case before). Anybody agree or disagree?

Ian (65.218.145.144 09:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC))


Yes, I agree with that. They should be seperated so that people will know which Shredder is which in the new show. Also, the utrom Shredder images are next to the paragraphs that explain the original Shredder, so it should defiantly be changed.-Darknessofhearts

in fact , I don't know why are you deleted some important information . anyway , I returned it . I think this better than before —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scientist Of The Worlds (talk • contribs) 20:58, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Shredder in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Battle Nexus

where are the Story about Shredder in that game ?? there are a different story , For example : Shredder was defeated by Leonardo in LV2 in story mode , and he also take Slashuur as ally , and he was destroy the Utrom world too , etc... I want this article to be the best article on this encyclopedia ( in actually , I want this encyclopedia be the best one of the world ^^ ) . Any suggestions ???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scientist Of The Worlds (talk • contribs).

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