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Contents 1 Comment 2 NPOV Issues 3 "Book" and the first sentence 4 2008 concert 5 Trivia

[edit] Comment

There have been many contreversies about this movie and it's depiction of blacks etc. that I think deserve to be mentioned, but I really don't know too much about. If anyone knows more about this, can they add it?

I added a little; it isn't definitive but I'm sure other will add more.

I have tried to add extensive information about the controversy with the 1993 Toronto production (and therefore the general black reaction to the work), adding to what was originally written by Alisar. I obviously have a strong opinion in the matter (that the show is not racist), but I have tried to keep the section NPOV by providing three quotes from each side to balance each other out. Still, if anyone has any comments on the additions or think it is too POV feel free to say so. Yid613 - 20:24 (UTC) Dec. 14, 2005

The section has been expanded thoroughly with about seven defending sources, about seven critical sources, and evthree neutrally informative sources. The section has also been divided into categories. Yid613 07:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

There's one piece of information I think is worth adding, but I'm not sure where so I'll just note it here and allow those more familiar with this article and the controversies to place it where it fits best. Lena Horne, considered very much a role-model for African-Americans because of her work in the mostly white-only MGM musicals, not only took part in the condensed performance of Show Boat in Till the Clouds Roll By, she also lobbied for and was considered for a role in the 1951 version until the studio got cold feet and cast Ava Gardner instead. I've never seen any comments from Horne one way or the other regarding the play's content, but the very fact she willingly took part in the condensed version and tried to get into the 1951 version could be considered a positive response to the play from a reputable performer. Just thought I'd toss that out there for consideration. 23skidoo 01:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi 23skidoo. Thanks for bringing up that piece of information, it is very valuable. Since you brought it up, it figures that you should be able to add the section, if you want to. So in regards to your question about where would be appropriate, I think that the best place would be to add another section titled "1951 film version" in between what is now Revisions and Cancellations and 1994 Revival. Somewhere in the text you might want to include a wikilink to Show Boat (film)#1951 Version. Thanks. Yid613 02:43, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

The 'Integration' page is a disaster. It stinks of self-serving undergrads (pray let it not be p-gs!). Someone really better fucking change it.

[edit] NPOV Issues

The sections "1993 Revival" and "Analysis" are not neutral--it's clear that the author has a strong point of view, and is expressing it here. The first badly needs reworking; the "Analysis" section isn't really appropriate for an encyclopedia article. nmw 20:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Book" and the first sentence

The first sentence of the article was edited by someone who apparently felt that the "book" of the musical should be credited to the author of the novel on which it was based (!) - logical enough if you don't know what the "book" of a musical is. I have re-written the first sentence to be totally clear - although I fear it is now cumbersome and ugly. Better ideas welcome! Soundofmusicals (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 concert

I don't know whether it's notable enough for the article, but there's a concert version due to be staged at Carnegie Hall in June '08. Article here: http://www.playbill.com/news/article/117502.html Some notable musical actors are in this. Annie D (talk) 00:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Although Ferber used tha name "Kim" when it may been uncommon, she did not coin it. Kipling's novel "Kim" was published in 1900. The Kentucky-Illinois-Missouri derivation is a rather clever backronym. Barnaby the Scrivener (talk) 13:26, 9 June 2008 (UTC)