Talk:Shocker (hand gesture)

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Shocker (hand gesture) was a good article, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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[edit] Delisted GA

There are no references. slambo 10:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfC Response

In regards to whether this page should have a long list of names for the term:

In looking at the list, I think it is excessively long and does not add to the quality of the article. I think most of the list could be summarized by the following:

"There are a number of other terms for this hand gesture, most of which take the form "Two in the _______, one in the _______," where the first blank is filled with a slang term for vagina and the second blank is filled with a rhyming slang term for anus."

EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:44, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I disagree, simply because on reading the article, I was amused for a good five minutes. Wikipedia is certainly not free of adolescent toilet humor, and this is pop culture at its best/worst! If it needs to come out of this article, perhaps it could be listed as its own article. Articles aren't just about noteworthy knowledge; a list of pop culture references like this, while silly, is something that should be archived here. Indy 23:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Get rid of the list, or at least greatly shorten with note that other terms are also used. Yeah its funny but:
  1. Looks like original research. Is there a citation for these?
  2. Even if there is, are all, or most, of these names actually used in real life? Or have people been just making them up? If so, it's not really a pop cultural reference. Herostratus 20:17, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree with the removal of the list. People just make these things up. Tomsteele 07:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with the removal of the list. It captures an essential form of Americana: the joyously prurient. That the Shocker is now widely in evidence at public sporting games speaks to its subversive nature, too, in a time of right wing repression. "One up the Cheney" indeed. :-)

That's nice, but this is an encyclopedia. Also, please sign your comments. Tomsteele 00:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dot Dot Dot

Who the hell made that list? Whoever did, good job! From ChewT 20:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


Why was it changed? It was much better before it all got taken out... From User:RonMexico 20:03, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

As a hand gesture, I think the casual observer would understand this article better with a picture. Can anyone provide a good (non copyvio) picture to put on the page? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

The picture on there now does not show the thumb extended as described in the text. --Gbleem 06:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who is the Prude?

Please put back the list of "two in the ___, one in the ___". This was a excellent list of the greatest of all amerenglish snowclones...

get it done, bitch.

[edit] Censorship

I am not the one who enterd two in the pink one in the stink. Though there is no reason for this censorship. non-censorship is what the internet is about. These slang terms are used throughtout highschool and colleges all over, I should know, I live in one. JedOs 07:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I have reviewed the revision, and I agree that the list should be put back up. It sates the culture of the times. JedOs 07:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Many of you may not have noticed that this is an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias generally don't contain endless lists of dubious slang. tregoweth 08:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • While I can also confirm that some of the terms on the previous list are used in actual conversations, especially on college campuses, this change is not about censorship. In my mind, this change was about whether an unnecessarily long list, which was 2-5 times larger than the article itself, was worthy of keeping in an encyclopedia. I feel the current format gives you the basic layout of the term, with the generalized example (which I have to keep reverting) accounting for at least 90% of the variations. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 18:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The list problem I can understand. But, why is "Two in the _______, one in the _______," being censored in the article? JedOs 19:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • The form with the blanks is a generalized form that describes almost all the variations of this saying. There are some who insist on putting in a less generalized, more specific form there which is less descriptive of the actual phenomenon. I would not be opposed to having 1-5 examples, e.g. "Two in the pink, one in the stink." However, I feel that if we allow any specific examples, the list will just repopulate itself, and we'll have the same problem all over again. Thoughts? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 21:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I absolutely agree, we dont have to give a list. But "Two in the pink, one in the stink." should be shown. JedOs 00:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I would have no problem with one or two examples. tregoweth 07:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay, I have added one example, which I feel is the most widely used one and probably about the only one from the list actually in wide usage. Googling "Two in the pink, one in the stink" yields 827 pages. The only other one I've heard in major usage, "Two in the coo, one in the poo" only yields 5 Google hits. Most of the others from the list probably yield zero. Hopefully this 1 example won't increase the edits to repopulate the list. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 08:02, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree with the above comments, and think that "two in the pink, one in the stink" should be included. I think that stuff like this is what makes Wikipedia better than all other encyclopedias, because it has entries such as this one, documenting things that other encyclopedias would most certainly leave out. Kerkyra 05:20, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

The list is what makes this page even worth having._MRN_ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.171.146.74 (talk) 18:53, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anatomically possible?

This page is incomplete without a discussion of whether or not the shocker is anatomically possible.140.247.248.52 15:05, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course it is. How could it not be? Cardsplayer4life 16:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
Have you EVER seen female anatomy? Why on earth would you think it wasn't anatomically possible? --Dogbreathcanada 19:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
It depends on the female who is recieving such an act, and the hand of her partnet, however it is usually possible. The total ignorance of the woman's clitoris is a blatant bit of ignorance, though. As well, not everyone appreciates standardized sex. Canaen 01:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
There is a variant known as the "Viper" which adds the thumb as "one for the bean". There's also the "Showstopper", which is simply a fist. Counterfit 06:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't that what Puddy did to Elaine?

Dude, if you can't figure it out, don't even attempt sex with a female. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.2.9 (talk) 01:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Careful with 'delivery'!

There's an important difference between displaying the shocker and delivering it: to display it is just to show the gesture, but to deliver it is to actually put it in the bodily cavities.

I saw it misstated in the caption of the picture of the cheerleader in the 'Notable Appearances' section; I'm lazy, so I haven't checked anywhere else. Just don't mix that up—it sets a bad precedence. >_> <_< -Dan 05:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed reference to six packing

I just removed the reference to six packing. For one, it's not hand gesture, it's a sex act. Additionally, it has very little resemblence to the shocker and really doesn't apply to being a varient of the shocker. Finally, the description of the act referenced the ring finger as being both extended (with the middle finger) as well as bent down (with the pinky). Trying to find the correct arrangement of fingers revealed only one real reference (http://www.collegehumor.com/jokes/24143/) on a college joke page and again, referenced it as a sex act, not a hand gesture.

[edit] Disney bans the Shocker?

I disagree, or at least, this information needs to be sourced. I have a picture of me doing the Shocker on the rock n roller coaster in Feb of 2005. In addition to the original disagreement I posted before (first sentence), I did a shocker on Space Mountain at Disneyland Park on October 5,2006 and it showed up fine. If it is something that is removed (and I am sure boob shots and middle fingers are), then the shocker must not be an official policy or needs to be sourced, so I removed the paragraph.

At Walt Disney World's Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Steven Tyler of Aerosmith can be seen making the gesture during the preshow. Despite this fact, if a guest makes the gesture at one of its attractions where a souvenir photo is taken, the photo will not be displayed and it will not be allowed for purchase.

MikeSims 16:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "shocker"

"two for the Pink, one for the stink" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.2.54.228 (talk) 23:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Picture removed

Where is the picture of the Wichita State cheerleader from ESPN? It was: 1) an actual display, which the article should have, and 2) cultural context and a visual "sourcing!" Jgates, 21:00 6 March 2007

[edit] Matt Hardy

He uses the shocker as his gesture, should this be on here?

Hardy's hand signal is different. He touches his thumb to his ring finger, and spreads his index and middle fingers apart. It's not supposed to be a 'shocker', it's supposed to look like "V1" for "Version One", his nickname. 74.70.171.36 15:05, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List cruft

I removed the mnemonic listcruft, since it obviously violates Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary. --Bkkbrad 22:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll keep removing it. hmwithtalk 14:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The List

Who keeps taking off the list? It contains legitimate variants to the original. In fact, one who only searches for a variant will arrive at the original. Without the list of legitimate variations on the theme, it cannot be traced back to the shocker. I'll revert it if I can figure out how.Llamabr 22:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

For future reference, make all comments at the bottom of talk pages.
As for the list, see the above conversation, as that states why it shouldn't be here.
Plus, there were no sources for the names.
Cheers! hmwithtalk 22:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I saw the conversation, and was not moved by the arguments contained therein. I'll see if I can revert it. One things that's so infuriating about wikipedia is that the decisions seem to be made the the loudest, bullyingest, losers, with more time than I have to change things around to meet their whims. Llamabr 16:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

It's WP:LISTCRUFT. Also, please refrain from personal attacks and assume good faith. Keep the environment friendly! hmwithtalk 16:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relevance

Should this nonsense really be the main direct for shocker? Wouldn't the Spider-Man villain and the horror movie be more relevant? I've never heard or seen this gesture before. There's not even a disambiguation page at the top. 68.166.70.23 04:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Searching for "shocker", and entering it after en.wikipedia.org/wiki/, now takes me to a redirect page. 65.12.16.199 07:33, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strictly American, or more international?

Is the shocker a common gesture outside of the US? I have a non-American friend who displays the gesture proudly in photographs, which is quite dissonant with her other behavior and makes me wonder if she understands the meaning. Are there different meanings in other parts of the world? 65.12.16.199 07:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The same gesture is the number 6 in sign language as well.  hmwith  talk 19:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
It's used in Australia occasionally for the connotations expressed here, that is, as a general vulgar reference, just as the middle finger is...not as commonly, and generally in a humorous light rather than agressively.

It is also called the 'barracuda' in Australia, after the fish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.49.142.197 (talk) 13:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Origins

I'm sure there are about a million people who claim to have "invented" the shocker, but could there be a verifiable source concerning the origin of the gesture? Secondly...has anyone actually ever Tried the shocker? Do women like it? I see the gesture a lot, but in reality I think it's kind of impractical (sexually speaking). You can't ask your partner if she wants the shocker...that's the whole point! it's the SHOCKer. I tried it on my girlfriend once and she FREAKED (and I don't mean in a good way).Antimatter---talk--- 06:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I believe the shocker was invented my www.collegehumor.com, but I can't find proof. True, there's a million guys out there claiming it was their idea. I'm in canada, and alot of people I know do know what the shocker is, so it's pop culture reference is spreading. We do need to find it's history and origins, tho.T.o.anon84 18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I've done some searching on the origins(as that's why I came to this article in the first place). I couldn't find anything verifiable. I suppose It will never be known, like who first uddered "pardon my french" or who first called the baseball A-RodT.o.anon84 04:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It's been around far longer than 1999 (when CollegeHumor was established), so that idea definitely is false. нмŵוτнτ 01:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm 34 yrs old and we were throwing the shocker in college back in 1993. I still have a picture with a couple of buddies from 1994 as evidence. So it must have been around earlier than that. I'd love to see some research..... Domn8r59 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domn8r59 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

think some kid did it on conan obrien once

conan thought it was a gang sign at first —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.187.161 (talk) 14:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)