User talk:Shizen

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[edit] Policy on dead links...

The policy on dead links is to try to find a cached version, and if the other site is used in the article, it doesn't go in EL. Furthermore, if it's a fansite (which it is), it probably shouldn't be used at all. MSJapan 16:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content-based? Sure!

puffyamiyumiworld is an unofficial fansite. It clearly states such at the bottom of the page. In order to consider content, we must consider policy and guidelines; length of time a link has been there is irrelevant, because that has motre to do with regular article maintenance than anything else.

WP:EL states to avoid links with excessive advertising. There's ads all over the site. The site itself is poorly written, badly laid out, and most importantly, a personal website, which we do not link to period. Therefore, it should not be in the article. That doesn't mean it cannot be used as a reference for something, but as such, it's a wholly promotional link to a site of very little value. MSJapan 15:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you have less than 20 edits to WP, so your claims of widespread issues are probably outside your level of understanding of policy. Moreover, I don't care about other articles, especially since you added the same link to two other articles as your first edits. The concern was brought to me because other fansites were removed from the article and that one was not. Your personal opinion doesn't matter; you wanted a content- and policy-based statement, you got it, and it's non-negotiable. Wikipedia works on consensus and policy, not personal opinion. MSJapan 18:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links with meaningful, relevant content

MSJapan,

Thanks for the time you’ve spent in your response. I respectfully disagree on several points.

First and foremost an external link should contain meaningful, relevant content that adds significant information to an article. Here is some of the content that the site in question contains:

Over 150 separate pages for every song by these artists. Content includes lyrics (including original English translations), song credits, a short song sample, info on the song’s releases, quotes by the singers, songwriters and producers and links to their biographies, info on other media the song was featured in and info on accompanying music videos.

Other content includes a discussion forum about the artists, trivia games about the artists, biographies of their songwriters and producers (most of whom don’t have a Wiki entry), detailed info on the books about the artists, detailed info on each DVD released by the artists, links to thirteen interviews with the artists, 2 original interviews with the artists’ songwriters, detailed info on the movies the artists have been in, detailed info on the TV shows the artists have appeared on and a large number of links to other websites related to the artists.

This is enormous amount of meaningful, relevant content beyond what the article can contain that is worthy of a link, not a dismissal as “a site of very little value.”

Secondly, there are no advertisements on the site, unless you are refering to links where readers can buy the artists’ merchandise – which can be found on most musical artists official sites so is obviously not a valid criteria to exclude this type of link. --Shizen 14:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)