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[edit] UA232, and the subjunctive
I'll have a look at the discrepancy you mention in the article on the plane crash.
Were I a more scholarly user of the language, I am sure I would agree with you on the subjunctive... (although I do enjoy using it in German, strangely enough). I suppose I think that it tends to lend a somewhat archaic feeling to the articles. Clarity demands simple sentences in a project like this which is used by many for whom (and that's a word whose misuse and overuse triggers similar feelings in me, by the way) English is not a mother tongue. Would that it were otherwise. Best wishes, --Guinnog 21:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I have had a look at the UA 232 article and cannot see the discrepancies that you mention. Can you elucidate? --Guinnog 22:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I have just read your comment in the aricle talk page, which perhaps I should have done before my last message. The speed of sound varies with altitude (or more correctly with air pressure, so temperature and humidity matter too, though less so. See Mach number for more details. --Guinnog 22:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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- First of all, please read the article Hey, I majored in Philosophy! (excuse for anything). I be of the opinion, etc.
OK. Mach number varies with all those thingies, but '[a]t a temperature of 15 degrees Celsius, Mach 1 is 340.3 m·s-1 (1,225 km·h-1 or 761.2 mph)'. The aeroplane was travelling at '270 knots', and '1 knot = 1.000 nautical mile/hour = 1.852 km/h exactly'. This means it was travelling at 270 x 1.852 km/h, = 500.04 km/h. Are my calculations wrong here? If the aeroplane was flying through Dulce de leche rather than the atmosphere at 37,000 feet, the Mach number might be substantially different.
Ooops, gotta go. Billy Crystal is on Denton. Continue this later. --Shirt58 11:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- First of all, please read the article Hey, I majored in Philosophy! (excuse for anything). I be of the opinion, etc.
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[edit] GREETINGS
And Hello from Dallas, Texas! Thanks for bringing to my attention the updates in the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Caris42 16:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] borebkole
Hi Shirt Nope, Never heard of this before. As you say I merely moved it into the article proper. borebkole is a DOG!! You reckon the Dutch eat DOG on Halloween (that's when we eat Colcannon). Maybe this is a hoax?! (Sarah777 16:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC))
I guess I guessed you didn't mean the Dutch eat Dog! Those Speculaas look yummy. I reckon if you suss out the borebkole recipe I'll have to make some and taste it! (Sarah777 13:40, 3 January 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Re:Jon/Joan/Jaun Elia
I think the transliteration used in the title should be used through out the article. Usage of multiple transliterations is a result of multiple ediors using their personal preferences. Szhaider 20:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- This, our little conversation, might have been a little model of how things could work. Szhaider's now blocked indefinitely. I pass nor seek no judgement. --Shirt58 13:22, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Et Tu, Shirt58
Well, I thank you, kind sir! Thanks also for making me aware of this doggy tale, one that obviously got away. I was in South America with some friends over Christmas, only returning home for the New Year with a zillion things to catch up on: and not so long after I got back I had to trot off to Bulgaria. It gets worse, because I will be spending most of February in Mexico City-sigh!!! In future if there is anything I can help you with just flag it up and I will do my best. Love. Clio the Muse 20:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
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- "Comic book collecting"? How insulting. I am none of fat, pony-tailed, bearded, four-fingered and self-employed.
Although, photographs of me with three weeks' worth of face fungus and and hair down to my shoulderblades do exist. And I did get a little plump for a couple of months a few times. And I do like Cat and Girl and Hate...
But both of my post-graduate thingies are very much professional qualifications... Worst. Multiple Career Changes. Ever.
Mmm... maybe I should try going into business by myself in ... something...--Shirt58 12:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- "Comic book collecting"? How insulting. I am none of fat, pony-tailed, bearded, four-fingered and self-employed.
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- can I quote you on all that its funny! (my post grad thing was so obscure I never finished it, sigh ) SatuSuro 13:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
- My common experience ( a very long time ago - probablly before 70% wikipedia editors born (ie before 1980)) was to drive between Hobart and Queenstown in the middle of the night to get back to work for the following am - usually never meeting a car between new norfolk and queenie at all.... SatuSuro 13:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC) btw sorry to spoil your ambition.... SatuSuro 13:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Murali leg spin
Hello there,
1995-96 is a bit too early for me - I was only 11 at the time - but a quick Google reveals that Murali was certainly doing Shane Warne impressions as far back as 1999, and last time I checked there was a YouTube link on Murali's Wiki article showing him doing the same thing this year. Also - SuggestBot (what a nice idea, I'd never heard of it) thinks you should do Northants Cricket Club eh? Any idea what gave it that notion? Cheers, Lfh 11:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] About Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#United states, a nation of swindlers
Gee thanks, it's good to see my little research into the matter is appreciated. By the way, I'm not sure if you're a college student, but if you are you probably have free access to JSTOR. It's a great resource.--Pharos 12:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Pwn
(He he, titter). Thanks for the lovely complement, Shirt. Now I know what pwn means; but I promise you, as God is my witness, I will NEVER use it.
I checked out the list of 16 banned words, and I agree with most of them, but not "search". ("The parents of the pretty little 5-year-old girl were devastated when she went missing, dressed in her pink party dress with the huge blue bow. They went into the nearby forest and Googled for her for 8 hours before returning home at 4 a.m., exhausted." ... er, no, I don't think so.) Cheers JackofOz 22:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Loomis
Well, Hellooo again Shirty. You continue to embarrass me with your effusions of admiration. But I'm a big boy now, I can take it.
About Lewis, we do indeed have a good relationship, and I'd like to think it will withstand my latest and most strongly worded broadside. He's already apologised for the inappropriate behaviour that lead to it, and now seems to be taking a Wiki-breather to have a think about things. He appointed me his Wiki-mentor some time back, and I take that role seriously, so I trust he still considers me as such. Sometime strong words are called for, to make a person sit up and open their eyes and stop acting in a knee-jerk (or any kind of jerk) manner. "That's what friends are for". I'd really love to sit down with him over a bottle of red and explain in detail why some things work and others don't. Emails etc are fine, up to a point, but some things really need body language, personal rapport, and an uninterrupted dialogue. I'm sure you know what I mean. I'm even half-tempted to send him my phone number so we can chat about life and whatever. But I'll think a bit more before doing that. Have a great day, man. JackofOz 22:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Eeerie
But I cannot put my finger on anything at this point. Re the massacre article that is. My mate order checked it too. A once only edit. I have just been watching a spookie video too - will need to come back and look again on the weekend SatuSuro 13:15, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Possums, hominids, dentists in Zagreb and related matters
Tee hee. Thanks. All the best to you and your "household". Cheers -- JackofOz 23:54, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Helen Garner
Hi Shirt58. I notice that you put the info re the Archibald Prize in the lead section of the Garner article. I'm not sure that the Archibald prize info is appropriate for the lead section. Here is the Wikipedia style guidelines on Lead Sections WP:LS. As I understand it, the Lead Section should provide an overview and summary of what comes later - it generally should not, I think, have information that is not followed up later in the article. Also, as Garner's main claim to fame is her writing and as there is nothing specifically noteworthy/controversial about the Archibald painting of her (finalist, not winner etc), I think that this is interesting information well worth including but not the sort of critical information needed in the lead section? Anyhow, that's just my two-pennysworth. I am still learning here - still trying to understand, myself, what makes a good article, so am very open to discussing this with you. Cheers Sterry2607 (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- PS I agree that the info re criteria for the Prize need not be there. I didn't even properly notice that it was there when I was editing the article yesterday! Sterry2607 (talk) 01:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your generous response. It is so nice when these things can be discussed reasonably. I left the Archibald Prize info where it was until I heard from you. I think in the interim I'd put it under Life, but if the article got expanded it could perhaps go under some other section to do with her wider impact/recognition but we need more before we could do that. I have a love-hate relationship with her, but I do think she is a wonderful/powerful writer! And she admires one of my big favourites, Elizabeth Jolley. Then again, she is critical of another favourite of mine, Thea Astley! I have 'Cosmo cosmolino' next to my bed. I must read it one day. Cheers, Sterry2607 (talk) 11:54, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Oneword
Publishers, or the people who build their websites, can make mistakes like all of us, I suppose. I know I've made my share. Regards --ShelfSkewed Talk 12:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Southern Marsupial Mole pic in taxobox not visible.
Tried theme and variations of the wikicode that appeared in taxoboxen for similar furry animals, but pic refuses to come out of its burrow. {{helpme}} --Shirt58 (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
- Fixed 'Image' ≠ 'image'. Algebraist 11:12, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Re <shrugs shoulders, wry grin>
Do not add anything without reference, If other article has something which is unreferenced, then add reference, or remove them. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 10:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Civility#Reducing_the_impact; Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus 7.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Ted Matthews
Hi Shirt 58. Indeed, he appears to be notable, but I placed the tags there because there were no references to say he was notable. What you've provided me with needs to appear in the article under a "References" or "External links" section. See below for info about refs and in-line cites. Best, PeterSymonds | talk 15:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Tyrenius's Guide to referencing
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Open the edit box for this page, copy the following text (inserting your own text where indicated), paste it at the bottom of the page and save the page:
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You can use sources which are not online, but which you have found in a library or elsewhere—in which case leave out the information which is not relevant. The newspaper example above would be formatted like this:
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Here is an example for a book:
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Make sure you put two single quote marks round the title (to generate italics), rather than one double quote mark.
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You may prefer to use a citation template to compile details of the source. The template goes between the ref tags and you fill out the fields you wish to. Basic templates can be found here: Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Citation quick reference
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[edit] MSA and Houli
Hello! The reason I asked why you'd want the MSA rendering of the name was to point out that the name should be transcribed or transliterated in Lebanese Arabic rather than MSA. For example, the name Jamal is pronounced Gamal in Egyptian, so it has to be transliterated the same way. Thanks for the kind Easter wishes, though I prefer the secular and more ancient holiday Sham El Nessim, which Egyptians of all religions (or lack thereof) celebrated recently as well :-) Cheers, — Zerida ☥ 23:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Generally accepted scholarly version of the Bible
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[edit] Re:Einstein
My fault. Here's your reference: http://blogs.cricinfo.com/tourdiaries/archives/2008/02/james_itouch_an.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.233.22 (talk) 18:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Bromocholorthingumyjigger
Err, thanks! I think I'll pop it on my userpage anyway, I don't get many awards! Ged UK (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Now, you changing my talk page now makes me look stupid here! :p Ged UK (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
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