Talk:Shitō-ryū
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Why doesn't this page explain anything about this kind of Karate? Knowing about history is useful, but most people want to find about the way they fight ...
- I am adding this Cubbi 21:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This page needs some pictures, and atleast the logo.
- I see someone added Shitokai logo, I'll try to add at least two more branch logos that I've been a member of Cubbi 21:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This style of karate is based on self-defence, not fancy moves like you see in the movies.Real karate must work for everyone, not just super fit atheletes, and Shito ryu takes the best of Okinawan karate and blends it together.Using close, medium and long range techniques,any body shape will benifit from it.Find a good club and talk to the teachers. Sensei Toplis Shogun Karate Club [1]
[edit] Man and his work
Shouldn't we place Mabuni Kenwa's life story into Kenwa Mabuni and leave Shito-ryu to the style itself? --Cubbi 13:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Shorin-ryū parenthood and Shinpan Shiroma (Gusukuma)'s role
After reading this article, I have found it lacking in the history of the style. There is no mention of its heritage from Shorin-ryū (Mabuni's first teacher was Itosu). Also, there is no mention of Shinpan Shiroma (Gusukuma). From the little I have read on the subject, Shiroma and Mabuni were friends who started Shito-ryu together. They called their styles Mabuni Shito-ryu and Shiroma Shito-ryu. I'm not sure if Shiroma's lineage is still practiced, but his students who continued his style are Ishikawa Horoku and Koshin Shiroma (as in the lineage chart in the book, "Okinawan Karate: Its Teachers, Styles and Secret Techniques," By Mark Bishop). I don't have this book, but have read a few pages from it online. I think this article should also mention Shiroma and his role - even if Shito-ryu karateka do not consider him to be in their lineage. Otherwise, this article should probably renamed to Mabuni Shito-ryu to reflect its actual content. I do not know much of the history of Shito-ryu, so I do not want to make these major changes to the article. --Scott Alter 06:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Good find, in all 15 years of Shito-ryu practice in three different organizations, nobody ever mentioned Shiroma when talking about the history to me. Renaming the main article to "Mabuni Shito-ryu" would be wrong since current understanding of "Mabuni Shito-ryu" is 'shito-ryu as practiced by the Mabuni family', as opposed to Motobu-ha, Hayashi-ha, Tani-ha, and so on. From what I am reading online, Mabuni opened his dojo in Osaka and taught there, while Shiroma remained/returned in Okinawa and started teaching there ten years later, essentially creating an Okinawan branch of Shito-ryu.. Very interesting, really! What we should do is write up a more expansive lineage of which existing dojos came from which, ultimately leading up to Mabuni's school and Gukusuma's school. BTW, I am finding online a mention of a couple of katas - Gukusuma-no-Chinto and Gukusuma-no-Passai --Cubbi 18:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
