Talk:Shishio Makoto

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If you wanna discuss whether or not Shishio was seen in hell at the end, please do so here. Evilbu 18:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 ~spelling? 2 Shishio vs Enishi 3 Watsuki's Interview 4 My contribution being cut down without base 5 Significance of the other fighters status before fighting Shishio

[edit] ~spelling?

what do you mean? Evilbu 17:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shishio vs Enishi

I've decided to delete the Shishio vs Enishi section from the article page. The article page isn't a place for a debate. Seven 19:12, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Watsuki's Interview

In an interview (contained in Kenshin Kaden), mangaka Nobuhiro Watsuki said that he was too into the character of Shishio so he had made Shishio the strongest of the Kyoto Arc. Seven 05:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My contribution being cut down without base

In previous versions of the page history there was a Character section for Shishio Makoto. It displayed some of his strengths and his fierceness in battle, while stating some of the events that turned him into his mummy-like state. As a contribution I added that putting aside his truly marvelous skills, in the Kyoto Arc where he becomes the nemesis, he faces heavily injured foes. Kenshin, Sanosuke and Saito had vicious bouts each with the top three Juppongatana, plus Kenshin had to fight Shinomori Aoshi before his encounter with Seta Sojiro. Sagara Sanosuke beat Anji the Destroyer, but recieved various Futae no Kiwami (Anji's ougi) which crippled him considerably. Hajime Saito destroyed Usui's Shingan technique along with his life, but not before getting deep wounds on both legs. Himura Kenshin had two near death matches with both Shinomori Aoshi and Seta Sojiro, where he had to pull his ougi (Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki)to beat both of them, draining additional energy aside from his wounds. Finally, Shinomori Aoshi, who fought Shishio to buy time for Kenshin, had taken the full impact of an Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki. Shishio knew all of this and took full advantage of the situation. In fact, he was beaten as the 15 minute time limit got way beyond him, not for the strength of his opponents. This is not made up; check the series or the manga. This is no meaningful insight; these are facts that were brought up. 66.50.84.156

It is worthy mentioning according to what source? it cannot be discarded that he fought against heavily injured opponents, according to what source? If it is worthy mentioning according to you and it cannot be discarded according to you, then the contribution is based on personal interpretations/opinions.

To tell you the truth, I'd have kept part of your most recent contribution if you didn't repeatedly edit the articles (regarding Jin-e and Shishio) not only with facts, but also with inaccurate info and personal interpretations. Therefore, I've learned to basically revert your contribution that's not all based on verifiable facts. Seven 00:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Significance of the other fighters status before fighting Shishio

The added parts are necessary to establish the conditions of the fight. The previous techiques section stated Shishio was stronger due to defeating all of his enemies, but for the reasons I have mentioned about the statments by the characters themselves brings the significance of each victory into doubt therefore I think it should be left as it is. These statments are not personal interpretations on my part, but are facts from the characters own admission. [User:Seekquaze|Seekquaze]]

Perhaps 2 or 3 sentences are necessary to establish the conditions of the fight, but not in such great details! Please remember that this is the Shishio article and this is an encyclopedia page!

By the way, according to Aoshi, "Not a single man gathered here right now has been defeated yet!" Seven 13:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I have cut down on the amount of detail. I think it is important to at least mention it so the reader has at least an idea on why Shishio's strength is difficult to gauge. Just mentioning all of his accomplishments in battle leaves the impression that he defeated them when they were at full strength. However, other factors must be taken into account. I think the new edits have accomplished this.

Also, it has been awhile since I read the fight and watched the anime, so could you please tell me the significance of that particular quote by Aoshi?

thank you Seekquaze

The significance of that particular quote by Aoshi? Shishio didn't actually defeat them. Seven 23:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)