Talk:Shirvanshah

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Shirvanshah = Kings of Shirvan in Persian right (shah = king)? I put that in.Azerbaijani 01:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. Grandmaster 05:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

If they were Arabs why did they have a Persian title?-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 12:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Their origin needs further research. I don't know if they were Arabs or not. But even if they were Arabs, they were Persianized. Grandmaster 12:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I have some info from Boseworth (originally written by Barthold but updated by Boseworth) which I'll put in. --alidoostzadeh 15:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Is this about the Shirvanshah title, the Shirvanshah state, or the dynasty that ruled the Shirvanshah state? Was the state actually called "Shirvanshah" or "Shirvanshah state"? That doesnt sound right, as Shirvanshah means King of Shirvan.Azerbaijani 21:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

It is about all three. Shirvanshah (or more archaic Sharwanshah) where a dynasty who ruled Shirvan. Their title was Shirvanshah and their state was also the kingdom of the dynasty of Shirvanshah. The best book on Shirvanshah is written by Minorsky and I have it. From Minorsky's time there is not really much new information and Minorsky seems to have exhausted all the sources. The title Shirvanshah actually does go back to pre-Islamic times, so we can mention that. --alidoostzadeh 15:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] nice

Whoever uploaded the pictures has a good artistic style. It would be good to have the current city where the impressive monuments are located so future visitors (hopefully myself one day) may visit them. --alidoostzadeh 17:26, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

There are more in the Palace of the Shirvanshahs. The palace is a very mysterious place. Grandmaster 13:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Very nice. Have to definitely visit! --alidoostzadeh 00:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] native state

Native state does not mean they were Azerbaijani Turkic speakers. Inded different groups are considered natives in the republic of Azerbaijan. For example Safavids and Qajars in many sources have been reference as establishing a "native Persian state" or a "native Iranian state". Obviously this is a geographical term rather an ethnic term. The fact that Shirvanshah's were Arab dynasty who married with local Iranian dynasties and established a state in Shirvan is well known. For an opposite example[1]. (Shah Ismail the first native Persian Rule). --alidoostzadeh 23:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)