Talk:Shiraz

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Good article Shiraz was a nominee for Geography and places good article, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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To-do list for Shiraz: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Expand lead
  • Expand history section and make it flow better
  • Give more information on climate eg climate, seasons, weather
  • Add city map
  • Add text on cityscape and neighbourhoods
  • Expand economy section and connect sentences
  • Replace lists with prose
  • Add references
  • Rewrite the tourism section
  • Add picture(s) to culture section

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[edit] Move

It seems like Shiraz should be the title of this page, and not a disambiguation link. I suggest moving the page and making a new page for Shiraz (disambiguation). Cuñado - Talk 01:30, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Great Info

Kudus on the info! Very good Web Master 07:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

We try.--Zereshk 09:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Errors

If I stop editing these pages, erors will start creeping back almost immediately. Some errors Ive spotted so far:

  • Shiraz was capital briefly during Saffarid times, not "Safavid" times.
  • Wine was not discovered outside Shiraz. It was discovered outside Urmia.

Good luck.--Zereshk 20:16, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

The page says "It is also believed that the name of the Shiraz grape originates from here as well (although the grape itself has been shown, through genetic testing, to have originated in France.)", although this is in direct conflict with the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiraz_grape Seanahan 19:10, 9 September 2006


[edit] On the Notable People of Shiraz

Just came to my attention that such individual as Saeed Emami has been placed under the heading of "Notable people" of Shiraz. I have consequently qualified him as "Murderer, criminal and psychopath". For completeness, in the event that the meaning of "Notable" is not known to those considering Saeed Emami as a notable of Shiraz, or of any other place for that matter, here are the principal meanings of "notable" according to OED:

Notable Worthy or deserving of note, especially on account of excellence, value, or importance; remarkable, striking, eminent.

To put Saeed Emami under the heading of "Notable people", several rows down Saadi and Hafez, is indicative of either not knowing what "notable" means, or of bad taste, or of disregard to the sanctity of human life, or of all of these. I propose therefore that a new heading be created, such as "Notorious people", "Disreputable people", "Ill-famed people", "Infamous people", etc. The present setting is an affront to basic human decency. Kind regards, --BF 00:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAC fail

I have failed the article as a citation is needed for each statement that likely to be challenged. See Wikipedia:Citing sources. Epbr123 19:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On photographs inside text

Just wished to propose that the photographs inside text be placed in the usual way, rather than sideways, or in the zigzag form, which invoke in the reader the impression of a chaotic text. Please note that this is an encyclopaedia article, representing facts, and not an artistic one, or a promotional one. I do not wish to change things myself, as I am very well aware of the tireless efforts over the past weeks of in particular User:Manu kian maheri93 to improve the entry so that my abrupt changes might be viewed as being a less than friendly gesture. Therefore rather than changing the positions of the photographs myself, I have decided to make my feelings known about the unattractive visual aspects of the entry, that truly seeing the photographs in their present composition, invariably leave the impression on me (and incorrectly at that) that the article were chaotic. Incidentally, why not try and place some of the photographs inside a photo gallery (adding a small caption to each so that readers can see who the people or what the places are)? For inspiration, one may consult the entry on Tabriz. Kind regards, --BF 06:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

With no offense to the previous GA reviewer, unfortunately the previous GA review didn't help much. So I will try and leave a more thorough review on this article this time. Unfortunately, the article still does not meet the Good Article criteria, and will not be listed.

The article starts off very good. The lead is starting off to be a good summary of the article, but could still be expanded. It might help editors to review some tips at WP:LEAD here. Also, as a minor note, the population number in the lead shouldn't be cited, if that same figure is mentioned later in the text (demography), the cite should be attached to that sentence instead.

I like the etymology section. It seems well written, sourced, and the pronunciation info will help non-native readers. The history section is also shaping up very good, although there are lots of individual sections with very little text, so it could clearly be expanded. It is looking reasonably well referenced as well.

The geography section looks good, although there's very little details on the climate. It could go into more detail on seasons, average temperates, weather, etc. The photo of Elam Garden in this section seems somewhat out of place? It would help if the text in the section would put some context to the significance of that part of town. Better yet, I would almost expect more of a city map or topological map in this section, as it would be more helpful. Also, what's the cityscape like? How is the street laid out and what kind of neighborhoods are there?

The economy section seems to contain several isolated sentences that could be drawn together into one or two paragraphs, and its information expanded.

Beyond that, the article is just incomplete. Most of the sections after that are mainly just lists, and not prose, which is clearly a B-class attribute and not indicative of GA status. I would recommend moving the list of famous people to a separate article, linked to under 'see also' -- it's contents are borderline notable, and lists like this are very highly abused by anonymous editors adding all sorts of non-notables to it, so it's best to have it separate; plus, it's quite long. You might have a short paragraph in this article, mentioning a few of the most notable people from the city in prose, and linking to the full list from there.

Instead of including reference citations on individual sister cities, most wikipedia city articles have a brief introductory sentence like, "Shiraz has four sister cities:", and that statement is referenced using the Sister Cities International website.

Reference citations should contain full information, not just the URL link (e.g. author, title, publisher, date of publication, and date of retrieval for web links -- as much as possible -- if no author is found, fine, but list as much you can find). The reason for this is so that, should the link ever disappear (404 not found), editors interested in verifying the citation have some sort of "trail" to go by. See WP:CITE for more information on references and formatting.

Additionally, I would also recommend taking a look at WikiProject Cities for more information and tips on improving city articles. Specifically, there are two article templates/guidelines there; though one is for US cities and the other for UK cities, the information contained therein should nonetheless be helpful in improving the article (regarding what sections to include and how, for example).

Hope this information helps to improve the article. Good luck! Dr. Cash 04:19, 21 September 2007 (UTC)