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[edit] Emiya Shirou movement

  • The addition of a title should be used only in the case of a disambiguation. As no other article exists under the name Emiya Shirō, and the article is already a redirect, requesting this change.— み使い Mitsukai 16:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I second this proposal! I'm the one who redirected "Emiya Shirou" by the way. Also, I'm the one who actually created that page. I almost forgot about that fact too. I'm just used to putting (Fate/stay night) in there. Go ahead and change it if you feel necessary... ^_^ Mirioki 21:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as I MADE this page and I would have intended to make it Emiya Shirō but wrote down the extra (Fate/stay night) out of bad habit... I've moved the page myself. Mirioki 05:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Though the HF picture of Shirou shows how much of a bad arse he is, it lacks a face shot and is a semi-spoiler, what with Archer's arm sticking out of Shirou's left side. I recommend changing this to something simmilar, but less controversial. -Terek 01:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
As a suggestion, if one searches "Google" for "Emiya Shirou", the image tab yields only one result, but that looks like it could be a good picture for Shirou. -Terek 01:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Hm... if no one gets to doing this by wednesday, I'll find a better picture for Shirou. Mirioki 05:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry guys! I have the perfect picture in mind! Probably that one where Shirou is defeating random black shadows... er... hopefully he isn't holding Kanshou and Bakuya in that one because that means I'll have to find another picture... regardless, I'm sure I can find an either 1) cool pictures or 2) normal picture of Shirou... if not I'll use the one Terek suggested. I'll take care of this, I promise! Mirioki 00:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is being fairly idiotic on me... I will reupload the Emiya pic eventually... Mirioki 00:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I uploaded the tiny talky pic of Shirou... Hopefully someone will upload a bigger version later. Mirioki 04:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unlimited Blade Works

I was thinking, how is Shiro's UBW a variant of Archer's? It's the same technique by the exact same person, with the only difference being the gears blocking the sun, possibly a representation of what he became.


Bone? Didnt they intend to say "bane"?

There's also an issue of clarification with the Chant. Unless I'm mistaken, Archer speaks directly in English during the incantation, while Shiro does it in Japanese. The difference between both aren't likely to be intentional, but rather a result of language discrepancies (You can very rarely use the exact same words and terminology in Japanese and in English) and an even more likely mistake on the author's part when writing in English as it is popular knowledge that Japanese writers' attempts at English are extremely often plagued by mistakes. I think this merits a small explanation, to show that the spell is not intended to be different between the two. Ephyon 16:59, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Thinking again, the "Yet those hands will never hold anything/Waiting for one’s arrival, this is my path, I have no regrets” parts do look a bit too different. Ignore the above rant. Ephyon 17:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I assume that Archer's UBW is much more developed than Shirou's; afterall, Archer is more powerful, experienced, and intelligent than Shirou (in all scenarios), so it would be logical to assume that his UBW has expanded beyond simply the weapons in Gilgamesh's vault; I point to Caladblog II, as well as Kanshou and Bakuya, as evidence of this growth. Furthermore, Archer's UBW can be called out with fewer lines than Shirou, which seems trivial to the average viewer but in the TYPE-MOON universe, it's quite a feat; Archer wastes less time talking yet is still able to expand his Reality Marble. And, finally, there are the aesthetic differences because of Archer and Shirou's different outlook on heroism. For a note, I would like to contain the spoilers of Archer's identity to the Archer topic alone; saying Archer is Shirou may be correct, but Shirou is not Archer, and we shouldn't spoil people who are not actively seeking spoilers. -Terek 11:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Makes sense, noted. Ephyon 21:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archer's left arm Shirou

Something we might want to add is probably information dealing with Shirou and his grafted arm. Something probably added under the "Abilities" section. This might be necessary to help people understand why Shirou with Archer's left Ilya powered arm is so powerful. I heard that Shirou not only traces weapons, but the power and speed of the actual user! Of course, I'm not sure if this is true or not, so I don't want to add it or else it'll most likely spread all over the internet like a wildfire! (Like how Arturia "Celas" did!) Mirioki 04:16, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, and I could be so don't take this too seriously, what Shirou and Archer's Tracing does when fully exploited is copy both the weapon and all concepts related to it, including the knowledge necessary to employ it. His actual body doesn't change. For example, if he were to copy Berserker's club, he'd know how much strength to put on each blow and how to swing it correctly, but he wouldn't have the actual strength to wield it. It just doesn't show with most weapons because their wielders had more reasonable physiques. I'm not quite sure if he does or doesn't need to be within UBW to copy the skills though.
Now matter how it is, and I'm sure about this one, this is simply part of how Tracing works, not an additional individual ability. Ephyon 13:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm aware of this fact about tracing... but in Heaven's Feel, Shirou with Archer's grafted arm and Ilya's magic, something made Shirou's tracing extremely powerful. I heard and then read from Moonlit World that he was actually able to trace not only Berserker's club, but his actual physical abilities too! Afterwards, Shirou basically ripped Berserker to shreds in seconds. Yet, even EvoSpace mentioned in Moonlit World they were not sure exactly how to explain this new power... Something about how imaging is about battling one's own self image instead of being just an attempt to copy a weapon... Normal tracing would never do that, but HF Shirou with Archer's arm could. Mind you, I'm not sure if this info true. Moonlit World did not mention exactly what this advanced tracing does other than provide an example of that one instance with Berserker. Still need clarification... Mirioki 14:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Including a bit about Archer's Arm would be necessary at some point in time, but we need a greater understanding of the concept before we put it on Wikipedia; if we put up a weird explanation, people will read/internalize it and we will have a tough time eradicating/clearing up the discrepancies. See the "Archer remembers everything unlike other Servants" discussions on Beast's Lair. In regard to Archer Arm Shirou, that Shirou was suicidal, and is the case with any suicidal move, there's an opportunity for great power (say, Archer tracing Excalibur and using it would be a suicidal move). What happened in Heaven's Feel wasn't that Shirou "imaged" Berserker's strength, he fired all his magic circuts off like rockets to give him a reflexive "burst" from using his magical power (using the Nine Lives technique). This, combined with a weakened Dark Berserker who was distracted by Illya's appearance (as Sakura didn't have as much control over Berserker's heroic spirit), allowed Shirou to defeat him. The move basically left Shirou weakened for the rest of the scenario; it was a one-shot deal. Terek 20:10, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Uh. This is late, but you're getting it toally wrong again. By turning on Archer's circuits, Shirou basically gained most of Archer's experience, skills, and powers which would continue for the rest of the scenario. So then, he could use his tracing power at Archer's level. He wasn't "weakenned", but the side effect of activating the arm even once would cause his body/soul to be blown apart by Archer's power eventually and also screw up his brain. He still does carry on that level of power and can trace several more times, but that's speeding up the bomb fuse to the point of explosion.
--Arai211.121.100.47 07:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Archer Spoiler

Numerous individuals, time and TIME again, have constantly put Archer references in the Shirou biography. This is wrong for several reasons: 1)Biographies are meant to limit the spoilers of other characters. Notice how Gilgamesh is never referred to as "Gilgamesh" outside of the main page and his own biography? 2) There's only a small chance of Fate Shirou becoming Archer (5-10%), a virtually non-existant chance of UBW Shirou succeeding, and a zero chance for HF Shirou. While that might be significant rationale for people to include why this is so, keep in mind that Shirou's future is uncertain, while Archer's future is definite. Archer is Shirou, but SHIROU IS NOT ARCHER. They are, for purpose of argument, different people, and shall be kept as such. If people want to know Archer's identity, they should read Archer's biography, rather than Shirou's.

If we are going to ever put an Archer reference in Shirou's biography, it will be an in-depth description of Archer-Arm Shirou, and won't disclose his identity. Terek 20:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

There. I placed the note on Archer's site, so as to no one do that again.154.5.47.4 23:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the current picture of Shiro kind of spoiler? Or is the red arm only spoiler if you already know about the Shiro/Archer connection?

It's the best thing anyone could come up with since Shirou CGs are either full-spoiler or not too clear on who the heck is on the picture. I'd say it's fine, unless you know about the arm transplant it's just Shirou with a bandaged arm. Ephyon 19:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Noble Phantasms?

I’ve been thinking, should we include the weapons Shirou traces? While they may not be legitimately his (Which is debatable, since the weapons are not the real ones but stuff he creates, hence would technically belong to him), as is the case of Bazett’s Fragarach, the point remains that Caliburn, Kansho/Bakuya, Rho Aias and Nine Lives are part of his very often underestimated arsenal. And with the exception of Nine Lives, being suicidal and all, he can use the rest effectively enough as regular battle techniques. Ephyon 18:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:UBW.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 10:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)