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[edit] Fictional Sociopath?

How is Shinji classified as a sociopath? I never noticed him having or even remotely showing sociopathic characteristics.

I was wondering that myself...if there's any of the main characters that could qualify as sociopathic, it's Asuka. I say remove him from the category if no one objects. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 01:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I think she was under fictional psycho/sociopaths for awhile but someone removed it. I wouldn't say anyone in NGA is (well maybe Shinji's father, but maybe not). Asuka is a narcissist, who's actions ultimately want attention and admiration. Sociopath's actions are ruthless and out of no love except for themselves. On the surface the two disorders seem alike, but the reason behind them is what separates them.

[edit] Kanji or kana

I remember that within the first episode or so of Evangelion, there's an identity card where "Ikari Shinji" is written in kana. Not kanji... ~Think the same was with the other characters too. For example the name on his "step-mother's" (forgot the name) door. Andelarion 14:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Credits for the same episode list a kanji. --Matharvest 22:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The angry youth thing...

...is not consistent with how all neglected boys act. In fact, a lot of neglected children are terribly submissive. So, it's really not more realistic either way.

IMO, the quiet, withdrawan Shinji in the anime is more interesting, because there aren't as many depictions of this (equally realistic) response to neglect.

[edit] Shinji's sexuality

Rather than engaging in an edit war, I'll just post a possible rewrite of the opening part of this section here and let those interested say what they think:

The series has caused debate over Shinji's sexuality. He is obviously attracted to Asuka, as his attempt to kiss her in her sleep in episode ???, arousal at the onsen in episode ???, and the opening scenes of End of Evangelion show. However, he is unusually open and emotional when around Kaworu, and is apparently much more comfortable around Kaworu than around any of the principal female characters. This has led some viewers to speculate that Shinji is romantically attracted to Kaworu. The series gives no indication that anything sexual happens between the two, but the depiction of Kaworu's and Shinji's interactions gives no clear-cut answers, which has led to many different interpretations, ranging from Shinji being romantically attracted to Kaworu to simply being a heterosexual who engages in a strange type of relationship with Kaworu due to his apparent lack of love from anyone else and Kaworu being an Angel, while others simply consider him bisexual. (rest of paragraph as it is)

Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: latest edit - I'm going to work on this a little; feel free to add to or edit out as necessary. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Personaly I think he's Bisexual. I mean, he didn't draw back from Kaworu in the bath house but he's attracted to Asuka.

How do you know he's not homosexual? I mean, he can hardly stand to touch Asuka.

He's not Bisexual. He's obviously straight. His relationship with Kaworu was (on his part) platonic and/or brother-like. He is attracted to Asuka and Rei, judging buy his constant effort to get closer to Rei, and the reference to "thermal expansion" in the episode "Magma Driver" in the hot springs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ikari90 (talk • contribs)

Nothing's been definitely established, so this is all pure conjecture. Don't forget to sign your posts. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
And what about his relationship with Rei? He seems to be more atracted to Rei than to Asuka. Eltitoskate 01:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Trying to pin down Shinji and Rei's relationship is problematic, to say the least. Shinji is more physically attracted to Asuka but is more comfortable around Rei, and Rei's possible connections to Yui add all kinds of complications. The manga is a bit more straightforward, but there's no telling what twists vol. 10 is going to put in. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 06:20, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tiny, perhaps unnecessary, edit

I was confused by "Come! Ikari Gendo" as the reading of the note given to Shinji, I read it as meaning "Come, Ikari Gendo!" instead of "Come! [signed] Ikari Gendo". I changed "Come! Ikari Gendo" to "Come! -Ikari Gendo" in the first paragraph in an attempt to dispel any confusion. Desire Campbell 24.222.232.225 09:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shinji's character

I took a stab at a broad edit/reshuffle of the content in the section on Shinji's character, but it still needs some work. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 16:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jesus Yamato?

Alright, as hilarious as that is, I'm gonna have to demand proof on that statement So, can anyone around here read moonspeak and have a copy of SRW @3 on them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.153.191 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 23 May 2007

It's just a poorly written sentence about something that might not belong here in the first place. "Jesus Yamato" is not an official name and as far as I am aware has not been used in any anime or videogame in reference to Kira Yamato; it's merely a derogatory nickname applied by fans. Whoever wrote that was observing that Shinji, a widely disliked character from an anime with heavy religious themes, insulted Kira, another widely disliked character who fans derisively refer to as "Jesus". In other words, he was drawing a parallel between Evangelion's religious themes and Kira being unofficially nicknamed "Jesus". It's most likely a coincidence - I don't think the term "Jesus Yamato" even EXISTS in Japan, as it's a 4chan creation. Because of that, I don't really think it's worth putting here, but I'll leave it for someone who knows Wikipedia better than me. 146.201.132.62 (talk) 23:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
If it's a 4chan-ism, it probably needs to be removed unless someone can find a printed source that uses it. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Shinji-Asuka relationship

The paragraph on Shinji's interactions with Asuka states: "It is later revealed that these seeming "taunts" are actually a desperate attempt on her part to make Shinji become receptive to her."

Revealed when? Is it explicitly revealed is this just a sourceless possible interpretation of Asuka's behavior? If it's the latter, the statement either needs to be removed or qualified with weasel words as a theory. Radioactive afikomen (talk · contribs)

I think this is derived from her overall behavior in the series and the material in the "Director's Cut" of Episode 21(?), with the "You won't even hold me!" comment that was added into the scenes where Arael is giving her psyche a dry squeegee. The entire section needs to be rewritten, or at the very least de-weaseled; I'm going to try to get to this sometime this week if I have time and can remember to do it. If you want to hit the section with the weasel words template, go for it. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 19:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I've done some rewriting on this section in both Shinji and Asuka's articles. How does everything look? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 05:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Per the information that's been added about volume 11 of the manga, for those of us who haven't read it yet because it's not in print in the States yet...does Shinji say "loves" or "knows", per the last edit? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:09, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Willbyr, have I ever mentioned that Bochan on the Eva ML quite competently translates all the Stages? For Stage 75's translation (see here), Bochan translates the sentences as "Make fun of me! Curse at me! Boss me around! This isn't like you, Asuka! The Asuka I want to protect isn't this empty shell!!" Doesn't seem to mention 'know' or 'love'. --Gwern (contribs) 03:52 29 July 2007 (GMT)
Hmmm...no, it doesn't. Thing is, until the volume is actually released in English, all the people seeing the articles are getting is a fan translation, which may be 100% on the money but isn't an "official" translation. Because of that, I'm almost tempted to strike the mentions of the material in volume 11 from the articles that it appears in. What do you think? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
No point in just avoiding Bochan's translations (we depend on her translations in a number of articles for things that have no translation, and she really is quite good), but I think we should just reword to avoid using love or know. To me, it seems clear that he means something along the lines of love (why else would he want to protect her? Out of the pure altruistic goodness of his heart?), but I guess it's not so obvious to others. --Gwern (contribs) 15:17 29 July 2007 (GMT)

[edit] Image from trailer

I culled the image from the article because, to my knowledge, Gainax has not officially leaked the trailer for Eva 1.0 to YouTube (or if they have, an official source for the info hasn't been found yet), which sets up a potential copyright violation if anything from the trailer is used in Wikipedia. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 13:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You may as well put the picture back. What difference does it make f the thing hasn't been "officially" leaked? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.113.61.147 (talk) 16:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reputation

Could someone with a more deep knowledge of anime culture than my own please write a section about the fact that many anime fans seem to actively hate him? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 (talk) 02:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] S2 Organ/Berserk Theory

I keep hearing that Shinji has an S2 Organ in his body where his appendix should be. Is this true or not. Please just give a straight yes or no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.113.61.147 (talk) 16:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard that before. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 17:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Where the hell did you get that theory from? Anyway, it's not true. --75.135.82.7 (talk) 02:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, I've heard the theory that he goes berserk like an Evangelion.24.31.106.165 (talk) 03:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)