Talk:Shine (Collective Soul song)

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[edit] Re: Virginia Tech Massacre

Apparently people have been editing this page to mention that the assumed mastermind behind the massacre had an obsession with this song. I'm glad this has been removed but am still curious why it'd be necessary to mention in the first place. It's not being investigated as a motivating factor as goth music was for Columbine (and games, cheetos and so on. Curious if anyone has some insight. Neutralitybias 02:24, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but it is relevant to the song, just as Charles Manson's "Helter Skelter" obsession is relevant to that song, and duly detailed in that article. 24.199.113.94 07:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
That is because Manson parsed it, broke it down for meaning and made it part of his mythos, and the peculiar lyrics invite such, if inadvertently; the book on the story was named likewise. Based on the lyrics of this song, it simply cannot be twisted in such a way that an English major made the decision to kill based off this song. Until it is shown to be the case here, it does not belong and will be reverted. Chris 07:23, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • You're as insane as Cho Seung-Hui. No one is saying he decided to kill 30 people because of the song. However, it has been clearly stated by his roommates that he listened to the song OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again, on a continuous loop, more than any other song. I think that is at the very least, an interesting bit of trivia about the song. Who made you the Collective Soul wikipedia God? Joe 08:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • The association with Seung Cho is very relevant and should be part of the article. Those who are opposed to it are likely just Collective Soul fanboys. 198.6.46.11 19:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
  • As I recall Kip Kinkel obsessively listened to Romeo + Juliet (soundtrack), but that article does not mention it. I don't even know this song, but I feel like it's association to a mass-murderer might be given too much attention here.--T. Anthony 04:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
His obsession with the song was widely reported and the band issued a statement about it, so I don't think the attention given here is excessive: only three sentences. It's just that the rest of the article isn't very long. Skarioffszky 09:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Damm Cho Seung-Hui! Great... now, collective soul will be on the watch list... and now, I can’t ever listen to that song without remembering the tragedy. Stupid kid!

I just read that in the news a couple of minutes ago O_O I was kinda surprised... damm it! of ALL the music of the world WHY, why he put such a great music group and a nice and good old song in a bad image??? (Unsigned comment).


I agree that the trivia about Cho does deserve to be mentioned in this article. Academic Challenger 00:11, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Since he loved the song so much, and wrote the lyrics, he probably related very strongly to them, therefore the song reflect's the killers mindstate. And the whole Helter Skelter thing, yeah. Exactly. Keep it there.