Talk:Shimon bar Yochai

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Can we move the page to the more common English spelling - 'Shimeon bar Yochai'? The current Simeon is not representative of the Hebrew name pronounced Sheem'on and the 'h' in Yohai is usually spelt 'ch' or 'kh'. --Shuki 14:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes- I think this would be more productive. he was condemned by "Varna" -??? this is a town in Bulgaria. Maybe it was Varus?--Bo Basil 18:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Why "Shimeon", not "Shimon"? It's not pronounced SHIME ON or SHIMMY ON, so why the need for an "e"? I'd support a move to Shimon bar Yochai --Dweller 18:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Look at what links to this article and you see that many articles use shimon bar yochai. Jon513 22:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

No-one seems to be too bothered. Be bold. --Dweller 09:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not Shimeon. it is entirely irregular in the religious lterature, english or German. It must be either Shimon or Simon--Bo Basil 10:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NOT BAR

It is Shimon BEN Yohai. 203.206.248.147 16:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

It isn't, as he's dead. But nitpicking aside, why do you think his name was "ben", not "bar"? --Dweller 16:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

He was an Israeli not a Babylonian. 203.206.248.147 17:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The new-age kabbalists site is able to get it correct in the external links. 203.206.248.147 17:33, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia guidelines are very clear on this matter. Naming follow what is most commonly recognized not what he himself might have called himself. He is commonly referred to as Shimon Bar Yohai both in talmudic writing and most contemporary writings.Jon513 18:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

No he isn't! RSRH never refers to him as bar. The Talmud uses ben. The only ones who use bar are Modona and the song "bar yohai." The Chabad.org website even uses ben. [1] 203.217.94.62 04:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Both are acceptable forms, and both are even used on the Chabad website. [2] Also, kabbalah.com and the Kabbalah Centre use 'bar' almost exclusively. Msteven1 13:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)