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[edit] Copyright infringement?

Just thought I'd mention it...

Entire paragraphs seem to be the same between them. Which came first?

http://www.shihtzuhundar.com/history.html

Those paragraphs do seem to have been copied from the Shih Tzu in Iceland page (the link above). The info was posted by an anon. user in February. Someone should either rewrite the paragraphs ("history and myth" and "character" sections) or remove them. Lachatdelarue (talk) 14:25, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Done. Elf | Talk 21:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unhelpful changes in pronunciation

Someone recently added "the real pronunciation" of Shi zi to the article. The pronunciation that person gave is not the standard Mandarin pronunciation. For help on standard Mandarin pronunciation, please see http://www.wfu.edu/~moran/Cathay_Cafe/template.html in "The Guide's Shop." P0M 21:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Size of dogs

(moved question from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dog breeds/Breed grouping:) I was just wondering, I own a female shih-tzu and so far every male shih-tzu we've met has been smaller then her. My question is about Shih-Tzu's, are the females larger then the males?

Not typically. In some breeds, the male is noticeably larger than the female on average, but I believe that most Shih Tzus are in about the same range. Some dogs, just like people, are way outside the norm, even if their parents were normal-sized. Did you get your dog from a known breeder? If so, you could ask the breeder about the size. If you don't know who the breeder was, then it's also possible that it's not a pure shih-tzu or not bred from "typical" Shih Tzu parents. Elf | Talk 20:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I've had both males and female shih tzus since I was little. Currently have 2 girls. The males are slightly bigger than the females. My 2 girls weigh about 11 lbs each. Hope this helps. --speedoflight 22:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

This is my first Shih Tzu, named Holly, who is black and white, and she is HUGE compared to other Shih Tzus. Her legs are taller than normal ones, and is very healthy. She is normal from head to tail, but from her front paw to her head when she stands up, so I think female Shih Tzus are taller than male Shih Tzus from my knowledge. --VelairWight 04:52, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The AKC has standards set for a shih tzu's "perfect" height and weight. In competition, shih tzus do not compete against each other but are measured on how close they meet these standards. Female shih tzus are not typically bigger than males. Almost every male shih tzu that I have met, including champion ones are slightly bigger than the females. --speedoflight | talk to me 12:33, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if males or females are generally larger, but my Shih Tzu Sami, a female, weighs 20 pounds. On the other hand, my other Shih Tzu Cady, also a female, weighs 10 pounds. Both are fully grown. I've never seen a Shih Tzu bigger than Sami, though I've heard of one. I believe that one might have been a female too... weird.--Koen the Mole 01:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

These dogs are notorious for size variance. I had a male that was 19 lbs from age 1 1/2 til his death at age 15. The vet never considered him fat, just a big Shih Tzu. I also read somewhere that they were bred down over the centuries, initially a large breed (60 lbs?). I have never found that article again, so I can't verify it. But I believe it, because they were great watch dogs with a vicious bite, and would be perfect to attack in packs against invaders of the monasteries.--Smileyporkpyn 02:39, 1 August 2006 (UTC)smiley/7.31.06

I have a healthy male shih tzu whose weight generally varies from 17-18 lbs. His mother weighed only 9 lbs. while his father was about his size. My mom bred Shih Tzus and I never noticed any correlation between which sex was generally larger. --KB

SHIH TZU! all shih tuz must have very friendly personality and never aggressive even to strangers. shih tzu are bred for companionship, and Lhasa apso are bred as guard dogs for monasteries. and some breeders mix shih tzu with apso because they want more puppies whihch means more money! apso are bigger than shih tzu and generally more aggresive.

[edit] consistent genetic histories?

The article currently says:

It is believed that this ornamental breed was created by breeding the Bei-jing gou (Pekingese) with a Tibetan dog breed, the Lhasa Apso. Recent DNA analysis confirms that this is one of the oldest breeds of dog.[1]

These two sentences may be contradictory if it turns out that the Pekinese and/or the Lhasa Apso are genetically more recent breeds. P0M 17:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)As well, it needs to be considered that both the Shih Tzu and Lhasa Apso will occasionally produce "Prapso" puppies. Shedding dogs with a medium coat and flarings that greatly resemble the Tibetan Spaniel. This indicates the interbreeding of all the Tibetan breeds. Really, can we ever be sure which breed was first? They would all share ancestry. The artwork from the past is not specific and resembles all the breeds mentioned.

[edit] Pix

Why is the Shih Tzu puppy photo being used twice in the article? The article should showcase adult dogs to highlight how an adult Shih Tzu looks like. Should also show different coat colors. What's really pathetic about this article is that it gets hijacked by Shih Tzu hobbyists who insist on putting in their photos or write their own POV information into what should be an encyclopedic article. speedoflight | talk to me 00:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

There are few pictures in this article. Wouldn't it be a good idea to add a few of these to the article? I noticed that Wikipedia entries for other breeds have more pictures, which I think is useful for people who would like to learn to recognize the breed.--Masden 00:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

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I just purchased a Shih Tzu and I am really impressed with their intelligence. He is already coming to his name and I got him late Saturday and today is Monday. The thing I want to know is potty training....Jack his my dogs name. I am unsure how to potty train since this is my first puppy for 35 years. I was sick yesterday, cause he literally made several messess. Today I got out the treats and trying to encourage him to let me know. How and what are some ideas you can give me. I would be so appreciative. I really loved my previous dog who died one year and 1/2 ago. I do not want to make the same mistakes with Jack. Bailey my previous dog cocker spaniel was already house broke when I got him, He was abused from his previous owner and so it was real hard with him...

[edit] Shedding - hair/fur

This doesn't make much sense to me

"the hair does shed, but is "captured" in the dense undercoat. Therefore, you're not likely to see as much hair on your furniture, clothes, and carpet as you would with dogs that shed. If not brushed daily, however, the hair that is caught up in the undercoat can cause mats."

They either shed or they don't. If they do get mats "captured" then they are surely shedding? I could say the same about border collies or many long coat breeds as they will also mat if they are not brushed out. So do they shed or not?

they don't shed. but it depends on what quality coat your dog has too.(if the dog is not full shih tzu, he might shed). i have two shih tzu and I cannot find a single dog hair even when I vacuum the whole house. sure I can see a lot of human hair though. some shih tzu get hair tangled and some don't. it depends on their hair type. my first shih tzu has thin hair type, and she gets mat all the time but the second one never gets tangled(I brush him once a week though). but neither of them spreads hair on carpet or furniture.

Fair enough. Seems that the article needs rewording tho as it reads here that they are shedding and that causes the mats (as with a shedding type dog).

no they don't shed. they have two types of coats; undercoat and top coat. undercoat is like cotton and very soft. and top coat is thicker. undercoat is the one cause hair tangle and mat.. but it doesn't mean they shed! the undercoat is like bichon's coat, so it gets tangled but they don't shed. shedding type dogs have fur that shed, but shih tzu have hair that grow out like human hair instead of sheding. what I am trying to say is, if you get a well-bred shih tzu then the hair will grow without losing the hair by sheding. that's what the shih tzu standard says= non sheding breed. if you compare chihuahua and shih tzu, then you will get the idea what sheding means.

Hey i was reading that 2 my dog is a shih tzu and no offence....there is hair everywhere its on my clothes on my bed on my couch the hair just is everywhere....and PS mine is a full shih tzu is becos i cut all his har off... cos hes not bald...but short summer coat all da the time???

[edit] Hunted by Iguanas

"Being alert is a natural instinct that they have retained from their ancestors, who were hunted by iguanas."

Firstly, iguanas are herbivores. Secondly, what ancestors? What exactly is meant by this?

- someone was joking

Iguanas are native to the New World, LOL --Rcgy 12:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Variations

Bullshit: a cross between a shit tzu and a bulldog

Um, is this serious? o_O --Kjoonlee 14:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed. --Kjoonlee 16:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've actually seen this name before inferred TWICE now - in the "Courier Mail" (Brisbane, Queensland, Australia), AND the "Townsville Bulletin" (Townsville, Queensland, Australia); both were in stories reporting the humorous instance of pups being born from the coupling of a Shih Tzu and a Bulldog (I don't have exact dates, someone with more motivation might be able to research that). Does that constitute an official coining of a new term for a breed variation? I guess time may tell - but it has gained an at least semi-serious status among most people I put it to, as the only name that seemingly comes to mind for such a breed! 137.219.16.124 07:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A QUESTION I NEED ANSWERED!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW OLD DOES A SHITZU FEMALE HAVE TO BE TO START THE BREEDING PROCESS?!

If you don't know that by know and are asking random people on Wikipedia, then you should definetly not be breeding them at all. Too many irresponsible people try to breed these awesome dogs for money. Go sell real estate if you want to make some money, but leave these great dogs out of your money scheme! If you don't know the age to start breeding, god forbid, you know nothing. Get educated and do some serious research, this isn't a game for some spoiled brat to mess around with. Does responsibilty & accountability no longer exist in this counrtry? Everyone is money hungry & greedy...grow up & don't sacrifice these incredible dogs!!(you can live without an I-Phone for awhile) There is alot of responsibilty & care with breeding these dogs. I don't want to see 7 more Shih-Tzu having to be rescued because of your carelessness, greediness, immaturity, money hunger & selfishness....I'm tired of all these damn spoiled brats in this country, you want to gorge yourself with unlimited materialism that's fine, you want to jump off a bridge, go ahead...BUT LEAVE SHIH-TZU out of your PROFIT HUNGRY SCHEME!!!

7/20/07 To the person who wrote the post before me! Take a chill pill and dont treat people so rudely. I believe that it is obvious that you dont have many feeling of anything either because you would not just cut loose on some innocent person that asked a simple question. "TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE TREATED"(67.166.203.43 05:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC))

Wonder what you meant by "... no longer exist in this country? ..." and "... damn spoiled brats in this country ...".
Just so we all get it, exactly what country are we talking about?
I do have a hunch, beeing some people "in your country" seem to think we are all talking about you.
And before the usual "this is an english language website" comments, well, keep in mind it's also the denomination of a language, and doesn't imply nationality.
In any case, I do hope you tell us what country that is, so we can properly answer your question AND try not to fly over there.
Apeder 12:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

whoever wrote the first nasty comment on the breeding of Shitzu needs to leave wikipedia and stop bothering people. The person that asked when you can breed these dogs simply wanted to know. Perhaps they simply wanted a puppy as a pet. You have no right to treat the person that asked this like that. How could you even think that they are spoiled by a simple question like that. The person that made that nasty comment sounds like the spoiled brat. Preator1 08:05, January 06, 2008 (CST)

[edit] Nalgene?? As in the plastics manufacturer?

What in the world does the following phrase mean? "...kissing the eyes excessively can give the eyes Demonic Powers and forsake the Nalgene" --Rcgy 12:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you, Wikipedia's Shih Tzu people!!

Shih Tzus (and many other breeds) may present signs of allergies to red dye #40, and owners should respond to scratching in the absence of fleas by eliminating pet foods that contain this commonly used additive.

I don't know how accurate that is (there's no reference), however my little Dudley has had the scratches a lot over the summer. It's not fleas, and we took him to the vet who gave us an expensive bag of dog food (among other medicines). When we ran out of the prescribed food, we went back to the regular stuff .. and he just started scratching again. I just checked our Purina Beneful bag, and, lo and behold, red dye #40 is an additive. I'm so surprised by this revelation, I hope it's right! Now I must buy new food for my baby. I'm a terrible mommy!!

-- chicken queen 20:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC) ♥

[edit] A question

I added a section in the Shih Tzu article that focuses on mixed breeds that include the Shih Ztu. I mentioned the Shih Poo not knowing of any more mixed breeds. Any thoughts on more mixed breeds that i could mention that involves the Shih Tzu?Juliancolton 13:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

...and I edited away the weird mention of "more consumer friendly", fixed a spelling error and added a link to the page about cross breeds. Khim1 09:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaned up and fixed?

I Removed the 'tone' tag since I can see no obvious reason for it. There's no discussion on the talk page about it, and the person who added the tag has made no other contributions to Wikipedia. Any views on the 'refimprove' added by Pharaoh_Hound in May 2007? Khim1 10:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cross Breeds

I added another cross breed and some external refs to the Shih Poo and the Zuchon, based on the idea that "if something should be done, it should be done correctly". However, I am in serious doubt about whether this page should mention cross breeds at all. Any thoughts on this?Khim1 10:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blacklisted refs...

I added refs to the remaining "citation needed"-tagged sentences and found that two of them came from ezinearticles.com articles which I couldn't add since ezinearticles.com is blacklisted. Here they are: ^[2] ^[3] I don't know whether to remove the sentences altogether or try to de-blacklist ezinearticles.com (probably not a good idea).Khim1 11:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] thank you

i liked a lot your web.i learned a lot from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.182.104 (talk) 02:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

My shi tzu loves the heat and all this winter she stayed by the heater--The real rj (talk) 16:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Missed correct version

Sorry! reverted to wrong version. I will get our andavoid any more trouble.King Pickle (talk) 00:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Well its okay. Just a learning experience. I'm not sure how to undo it to the correct version either but its not your fault. --Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I got it. All you do is go into the history tab and click on a version (click on the date) that looks to be the last stable version. Click edit and it will tell you that you are viewing an old revision of the page. You can click show changes or show preview to make sure you have the right version then save. That's a manual revert. Hope that helps. daveh4h 05:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)