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Hi. i wrote the article The Return to Zion and User:Shuki has tagged it with "merge" to "gathering of Israel". I turned to shuki many times - and left him messages so we can discuss this matter, including sending him an e-mail, reminding him to respond to my posted message at his talk page - but have got no answer.

So I'd like to turn to some administrator, in order to discuss this matter and solve the issue.

firat, as i wrote on my posted message to shuki - i had translated this article from Hebrew - (also- in consistence with the article Pre-Zionist Aliyah wich also seem to match it's Hebrew article).

"The gathering of israel" - was put in the Hebrew wikipedia as a different subject to "the return to Zion" - since it "gathering" is the promise of exile and return - and "the return to Zion" is a different term by itself - which is only one of the fulfillment of this promise of return (there were other exiles and return - who are subject to different articles). "The Return to Zion" also has other related topics of Aliyah and modern Zionism etc - not specifically concerning the promise of exile and return.

In addition, after shuki's tagging - I had linked "the gathering of Israel" to the Hebrew article - and had asked him to see for himself that they put it on a different article then "the return to Zion", again couldn't get his answer.

Second, the article is not an original research, had it been so, i wouldn't have translated it from hebew - look at the Hebrew link i put to "the return to Zion" - Hebrew wikipedia has not tagged it this "original research". I also referred on my references to :

  • Book of Ezra
  • Book of Nehemiah

wich the article is based upon - I just can't think, in case of article on the bible, of a more "reliable source" then the bible itself ? ...

third, the article "pre-zionist Aliyah" is also translated from the Hebrew article (or at list in consistence with the Hebrew article) - but "pre-Zionist aliyah" has no references at all and it was not tagged - in contra to my article - wich both is in with consistence with the "Hebrew- the return to Zion", the "English + Hebrew - pre Zionist aliyah" as well as has the references of which the article is based up on and those are:

  • Book of Ezra
  • Book of Nehemiah

i'd like to ask the administrator to remove those tags. Thank you! And have a nice day!

--Shevashalosh (talk) 11:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Anyone can remove those tags, BUT protocol should be followed, since the OR tag did not have a description on the talk page and it is not obvious for me what it OR I removed it. as for the merge tag it is not appropriate to remove it, what you should do is state your point in the talk page as per the link in the articles merge tag and get WP:CONSENSUS with other users. Then it can be decided if the article should be merged or not, just because a merge tag is on the page does not mean that it will be merged, it is just the first step after which a discussion is held and then it is decide what to do. --Stefan talk 12:07, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thank you Stefan! I'm new here and i'll try to read the WP:CONSENSUS, and follow it. If I'll have some questions I'll get back to you.
Have a great day !
--Shevashalosh (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC)