Talk:Shelly Manne

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[edit] Old comments

I just looked at the comment I made when I started this page--"(Coverage of a drummer whom I think should be better known.)"--and noticed a grammatical error. For those who care, that comment should read, "(Coverage of a drummer who I think should be better known.)" What could I have been thinking? Sorry! -- Alan W 04:35, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Great page - just added some internal links and made one phrase more readable. --Jppigott 05:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daktari

I have removed the extra material about Mike Wofford playing a tack piano on the Daktari album. I don't know why it was restored. When I originally removed it, I moved it to the Daktari page, so it is still available. Such detail about Mike Wofford and the African elements in Daktari belongs on the Daktari page, not on a page supposed to be focusing on Shelly Manne. Anyone interested in more about Daktari or Mike Wofford can click on those links. --Alan W 03:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV dispute

I don't think the problem with this section was really POV. It's just that many of the statements lacked citations. I've reworked it all, supporting claims with citations. If there are no objections, I will remove the NPOV tag. --Alan W 01:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't exactly see a heated debate over the neutrality of this section. Nor was there even an explanation of why the NPOV tag was attached in the first place, as there is supposed to be. (See Wikipedia:NPOV_dispute#How_to_initiate_an_NPOV_debate.) I shouldn't have had to be the one to start this talk-page section. Now that I have revised the article and added citations, I believe I am justified in removing the tag. --Alan W 03:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination on hold

A few notes - leave a note on my talk page when you're done. Cheers, — Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 06:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Is it possible to get a free image for the infobox? If not, it needs a proper caption, noting that it's an album cover etc. Also, the image description page needs a better fair use justification.
  • "(11 June 1920–26 September 1984), born Sheldon Manne in New York City)" - You close brackets twice but only open once - I think the first ")" should be removed
  • Please add Wikipedia:Persondata (see {{persondata}})
  • "especially Jo Jones and Dave Tough. [1]" - The space between the ref and the full stop (.) isn't necessary
  • "In 1943..." - the year shouldn't be wlinked
  • "When the bebop movement began to change jazz in the 1940s, Manne loved it and adapted to the style rapidly, performing with Dizzy Gillespie and Charlie Parker. Around this time he also worked with rising stars like Flip Phillips, Charlie Ventura, Lennie Tristano, and Lee Konitz." - Needs source for her loving it
  • "From this point on, he played an important role in the West Coast school of jazz" - Needs cite
  • A few more internet references would be nice, to make it more easily verifiable
  • "This music was not necessarily bad, but it did not always go over well with aficionados of "serious" jazz music" - This needs rewording - "bad" is not a very professional word...
  • "performed would have to include" - reword to "performed includes"
  • "Collaborations" section contains a few unsourced paragraphs
  • "the polls are now forgotten" - source
  • "demonstrating the lasting value of the music" - let the reader decide on this; remove this statement
  • "always searching to extend his playing into new territory. [17]" - Remove space before ref
  • "personal, precise, clear, and at the same time multilayered" - says who?
  • 2nd and 3rd last paras of the collaborations section read like a testimonial...
  • "In 1957, the noted critic Nat Hentoff called Manne one of the most "musical" and "illuminatively imaginative" drummers." - Don't wlink the individual year, and remove "noted"
  • "Benny Carter is on record as having been "a great admirer of his work"" - Is this actually a quote? If so, a source is needed
  • "That acclaim was echoed by singers as well." - Reword to "Manne was also acclaimed by singers."
  • "And play behind singers he did" - Please remove this...
  • "Over decades, Manne recorded additional albums..." - Paragraph needs sourcing
  • "and tutored star Frank Sinatra" - Remove "star" - his article is evidence of that
  • "Manne became the go-to percussion man in the film industry" - Citation needed
  • "By this means, Manne's drumming became woven into the popular music of several decades. Notable examples of later scores that Manne wrote himself and also performed in are, for the movies, Young Billy Young, 1969, and, for television, Daktari, 1966–1969." - I don't really see the point of this paragraph...
  • "In the 1960s and early 1970s - Remove 1970s link
  • "when, late in 1973, Manne was forced to close the club for financial reasons" - Don't wlink years
  • "From 1974 to 1977 he joined guitarist Laurindo Almeida" - And again...
  • "he nevertheless often succeeded in making art of what might be called hackwork." - Source or remove, NPOV
  • "But shortly before his death in Los Angeles in 1984," - remove wlink on 1984
  • "his immense contribution to the music regained some recognition at least locally" - Reword to "his contribution to jazz gained some local recognition"
  • "Manne became effectively the King of Jazz in California." - Source someone reliable calling him this, or remove

Please leave a note on my talk page when you're done. — Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 06:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Aaaand passed - nice work :) — Dihydrogen Monoxide (Review) 03:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)