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[edit] jewish terror in shefa-amr

why does this article include a jewish terror section but the article about tel aviv doesn't include an arab terror section? or the article about herzliya, netanya, kfar sava, jerusalem.. and the list goes on. the terror in the city is already covered in the article about netan zada. this section should be removed or a terror section should be added to every city in israel that was attacked by arab terror. Erwin138 14:48, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Because a POV-pusher renamed "Violence in Shfar'am" to "Jewish terror in Shefa-Amr". I've reverted to the previous version now. Tomer TALK 17:48, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
he renamed it because the section deals only with jewish terror. i'd expect to see a review about violence in genereal in Shefa-Amr like rapes, thefts, murders etc, and maybe a few words about the reasons why natan zada was killed. because today israeli networks showed footages in which he is seen alive in the bus, the policemen are with him but they can't do anything to save him. Erwin138 21:18, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Orthodox?

Now the article states that the two male victims of the 2005 shootings were buried in a "Christian" cementary. But were they not Greek Orthodox? ...I seem to remember having seen that somewhere? Perhaps a link to Orthodox Church of Jerusalem is correct? Does anybody know? Huldra 09:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Most Israelis who are Jews don't recognize the different movements in Christianity so if an Israeli wrote that they were buried in a Christian cemetery, he could've meant Greek Orthodox, catholic, or anything. This can easily be fixed. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 19:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

They were both catholic and were burried in the catholic cemetery, i've updated it. Golfgti 13:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] two things

1. The Hebrew version says that Shefaram was only recognized as a city in 1987, contrary to what the article says. I don't know who's right.

All that stuff was unreferenced which is a good way to introduce errors. I could not find anything anywhere else. The material about Arab towns having to struggle for recognition is of dubious truth value and relevance here - so I just took it all out. If we can find out when it became a city then we should add it. I don't think Nazareth had any trouble being recognized has a city. If there were towns that had trouble in this respect, it should be recorded there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewnews (talk • contribs) 02:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

2. There is a lot more to add about the ancient history of the city. I think it was one of the centers of the Sanhedrin, (if i recall correctly) and I am sure there is much more.

Also, I think the beginning of the article should be rewritten. The second and third paragraphs do not really focus on city; The stuff about the mayor and knesset member should appear maybe at the end of the article. nadav 04:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article name

Shefa-Amr, according to Google, is a more popular name for the city than Shfar'am or Shefar'am - unsurprisingly, given its ethnic composition. - Mustafaa 07:25, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Mustafaa, you are wrong about the google results. "Shfaram" yields 55,700 results in Google. Shefa-Amr gives 15,600 results. Is the Wikipedia policy that more popular (by Google) versions be used for names? If so we'd have to change it, but personally I think it does seem unfair since its residents today are Arab. nadav 04:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
OK then why is it listed as Shefa-Amr and called Shefa-Amr. It is not a town in an Arab country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewnews (talk • contribs) 02:17, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What's the self-contradiction

Why is the template on the article? AnonMoos 03:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient "ARAB" town

Shfaram, which is the correct and official name, was not an Arab town in ancient times, as the article itself shows. It was Jewish. The name of the town, and the name of the entry in Wikipedia, should be Shfaram. Towns in Poland that were formerly German are not listed only under their German name. Mewnews (talk) 11:49, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

when i wrote it i stated it was an ancient cenaany town then jewish and afterwards arab, someone change it. you are right, please change it back. about the name i think it should stay as it is because its an arab town nowadays. M5Power (talk) 11:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I seem to have changed it or someone did so it is just ancient. When we find out ancient what then we can say more. Mewnews (talk) 02:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History section

I did some copy editing. But there was a claim that it was a Canaanite city which is possible, but no evidence was produced and no references. I removed it because I didn't know what could be said with accuracy. If someone has a reference to archaeological digs or other info it should be added. Also if it is mentioned in the bible that should be added. All the Jewish references are late and we should have specifics of where it is mentioned in connection with revolts and which revolts) Thanx Mewnews (talk) 02:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I am a citizen of the city and i can tell u for sure it was a Canaanite city, its a known fact. also i have a booklet about the city which states that clearly (the name of the booklet is stated under refferances). im puting back what you deleted. and why did u delete the fact that it was declared a city ever since 1948? this fact is true and if you check the hebrew version you'll find that the vice mayor of shefa-amr stated it was diclared a city in 1905/6 thats why Israel didn't change its status. M5Power (talk) 09:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)