User talk:Shakehandsman

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[edit] Bid.tv

I don't mind your restoration of the shipping and handling and telephone line stuff - although they definitely should be cited from somewhere reliable - but when I rewrite and reformat the section on the ASA ruling, it's kind of annoying to see you change it back to an inferior version. --Gwern (contribs) 01:09 6 December 2006 (GMT)

Hi, I am currently researching improvements to the Bid-Tv article. My revert was more aimed at changes by the Bid-tv employee rather than any criticism of your work. I'm glad you agree about the postage charges, though it is hard to source those as Bid-tv like to mention them as little as possible.
I've also informed the Bid-tv employee of Wikipedia's policies regarding conflicts of interest and NPOV. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shakehandsman (talk • contribs)
I'm not surprised, but I can tell you from my experience here: if you get into conflicts about information one party or the other sees as non-neutral, the best thing to do is buckle down and source it really well, with a minimum of analysis and editorializing - both of which I tried to remove from that section. If you can do it solely by using quotes from unimpeachable sources, that's even better; for example, did you notice how I quoted the ASA decision in the paragraph, and so corrected a misleading sentence? --Gwern (contribs) 01:37 6 December 2006 (GMT)


Please can people keep it NEUTRAL when talking about P&P, terms like "rather steep" are emotive and CONJECTURE. by all means write about about but do as Gwern says and keep a minimum of anaylis.

That's a bit rich coming from a Bid TV employee who constantly deletes anything remotely critical about the company even when thoroughly sourced. --Shakehandsman 03:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NTL

Generally, links to dedicated criticism sites don't go on the subject's own page. If there is a separate criticism article (e.g., Criticism of Microsoft), then it would go there. Veinor (talk to me) 22:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neville brothers

Please stop adding superfluous comments about what Jaap Stam thinks of the Neville brothers. It is out of place in their biography pages & serves no actual purpose. RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 09:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

As I have already explained very clearly they are not his opinions, Stam is merely reporting facts from the Manchester United dressing room, you clearly know this by now and you should not go on pretending otherwise. Also you are wrong to suggest the comments belong in the Jaap Stam article as the facts concern the Neville brothers, not Stam at all. Please do not misquote people - Stam never actually stated whether or not he shared the opinions of his Manchester United colleagues. I think you'd be better off spending your time removing the many unsourced nonsensical opinions from the Gary Neville article rather than such significant, relevant and well sourced facts.
"significant, relevant and well sourced facts"? Hearsay from an embittered ex-player? What does that possibly add to the player's biographies? I know you think the Nevilles are a "strange family" and that Ryan Giggs is "something of a rogue" but is this really what Wikipedia is here for? RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 09:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
My opinions do not matter in the slightest - and i think you'll find your are misquoting once again. Facts are all that matter and anything I have added to any article is 100% factual and very well sourced. It is actually the Gary Neville article which contains the most unsourced nonsence currently as the worst stuff has been sorted out in the Phil Neville one (edit - my mistake some of it is still there), though you have edited Gary's article as well so my point still stands. You'll also find that Stam still has a huge amount of respect for Manchester United - is it really such a suprise to you that many Manchester United players happen to hold similar opinions to much of the uk population as a whole? Incidently, do you still hold the incredible opinion that it is mainly bitter Liverpool fans who dislike him? Maybe we should include a quote in the article from some sort of former team mate with no connection to Liverpool to ensure that people with such a misguided view can apreciate the true situation? Any ideas?
"do you still hold the incredible opinion that it is mainly bitter Liverpool fans who dislike him?" Eh? That's not what I said at all...I hold the opinion that YOU don't like the Nevilles (and Utd in general) but that's irrelevant. Biogs are not there to be clogged with fatuous little negativities. RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 10:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
So you don't like article to have "little negativities" yet totally unsourced over the top praise is perfectly acceptable and in fact preferable? That's clearly where you and I differ - I'm happy for Wikipedia to contain anything as long as it is well sourced, relevant and factual - whether it happens to be positive or negative does not and should not matter in the slightest. If you remove all the truthful "negativity" from Wikipedia no articles will have an balance whatsoever (incidently the comments I was referring to regarding Liverpool fans were made by you on Feb 8th).
"yet totally unsourced over the top praise is perfectly acceptable and in fact preferable" again you misread me, I think your removal of nonsense like "Gary Neville's hard graft has made him a United legend blah blah blah" is just as valid as my removal of your Stam thing. I'm not really sure which comments on Liverpool fans you are talking about. RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 09:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
You still don't get it do you? My removal of those parts of the Gary Neville aritcles is not equally as valid as you editing - it is in fact much much more valid. The Stam quotes are very well known and very well sourced and back up points made in the article - whereas the data I removed is just random nonsense. They are completely different things.
I think you are taking it all a bit personally...it's only the Neville brothers. RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 08:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
If you weren't taking it personally you wouldn't have kept undoing my edits and you wouldn't keep posting in my talk page. Only one of us has Phil Neville as the captain of their favourite football club and thus only they can be really seen to have some sort of connection to him. For me the subject here is irrelevant and not any part of my life I was just adding some well known and relevant information to an article. I won't be responding to anything else you write here as you just ignore the most important points I make half the time or you misquote me (and Jaap for that matter).

[edit] Gerald Ashby

Hi. Thanks for correcting the Liverpool-Arsenal score in the article! The article was in need of some pepping up, and I hadn't realised that Ashby was the ref in that match, so well done. Thanks again. Ref (chew)(do) 15:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kevin Davies Height

Can I refer you to Template:Infobox_Football_biography/doc#Units_of_measurement. Even today, the height for English footballers who play in England is generally given in imperial units. You can also check this at Davies' soccerbase entry. Cheers Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

On top of this, I am unfortunately unable to find any source which claims his height to be 1.84 metres. I have found at least one source claiming that his height is 6'1" (or 1.85 metres), here, and at least one claiming that his height is 6'0" (or 1.83 metres). [1]
If you are able to point out to me somewhere that his height is listed as 1.84 metres, please do so, but a brief Google search is fruitless. Bobo. 12:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
The most appropriate units for use in the UK are metric units, just as imperial is mostly used in America. However if the source is imperial perhaps we will have to manage with that. Perhaps you could clarify your edits in future to state you are correcting the height, your summary suggested you were merely changing the units rather than fixing a problem.

[edit] February 2008

Hi, the recent edit you made to Jacqui Smith has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. J.delanoygabsadds 23:30, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry i was tired and forgot the edit summary.

[edit] Martin Taylor

Hi, I've undone your change to Martin Taylor, and added another reference from The Times which says "As far as I remember, Martin Taylor has still not been to see me, but I was under sedation so who knows". Thought I ought to explain why.

I've seen two reports of the Croatian TV interview, one on arseblog which says "Before the interview, the reporter had to agree not to ask anything about Martin Taylor. The only thing Dudu said was that Taylor did not visit him in the hospital to offer an apology, like some papers reported (note - this is what the TV anchor said despite Eduardo’s wishes that no questions about Taylor be asked).", and this one on javno.com which doesn't mention Taylor not visiting. Until/unless more reliable reports come out, I don't think the arseblog report can in its current form be considered as a reliable source for what Eduardo (as opposed to the TV anchor) said.

Also, you'd think that Arsenal would have refuted the widespread reports of Taylor's visit, if it really hadn't happened. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok sounds fair enough for now, don't really think we can trust the English or Croatian media on this issue as both seem to report the issue in opposite but equally biased ways. Don't agree with your last sentence though - if Arsenal went around refuting every single piece of nonsense printed in the press they'd have little time left to concentrate on football.

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:WomensAid-help for men.jpg)

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[edit] Scottish Women's Aid

Scottish Women's Aid has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real organization (band, club, company, etc.) but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.-Andrew c [talk] 15:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I also wanted to add another note, looking through some of your other contributions. I'd advise you to please read up a bit on some core wikipedia guidelines and policies. For example, WP:RS talks about how blogs and other self-published sources generally should not be used. WP:NPOV talks about how we should deal with multiple points of view, and discusses weight and fringe issues. Wikipedia:Criticism is a good read regarding criticism sections and criticism in general. If you have any questions about how wikipedia works, feel free to ask. And you are always welcome to make proposals and discuss changes and disputes on article's talk pages. For example, if an edit of yours gets reverted, you can start a new topic on the talk page and explain why you disagree with the revert, and why you feel your edit was helpful and within guidelines. Hope this helps.-Andrew c [talk] 15:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Ok maybe I shouldn't have used a blog as a reference though I was merely trying to find a source for content added by someone else. TBH you shouldn't really be deleting/ watering down well sourced criticism from articles either so perhaps you could read up on the guidelines too? Additionally that Scottish Women's Aid article took me ages to write and now I've got to redo the whole thing - it is pretty obvious it is notable enough to be in wikipedia

[edit] British Airways discrimination against male passengers

Hi, last month you contributed to a discussion in the British Airways talk pages regarding BA refusing to seat children next to men "because of the dangers of peadophiles". A few other people have also been kind enough to revert changes each time this content has been deleted.

Unfortunately it the content has now been relegated to it's own article, merely because Qantas/Air NZ have a similar policy, whereas I would have thought it was of such significance it still need to be covered briefly on the main page, at least briefly. Given the close relationship between BA and Qantas it is pretty obvious that they are likely to have similar attitudes to such issues.

Anyway, I basically just wondered what your thoughts were on the matter? Also, I wanted to say thanks for contributing to the discussion last month as it was rather frustrating being faced with people who couldn't (or didn't want to) appreciate why the material was so important and were so keen to get rid of it.--Shakehandsman (talk) 04:26, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I will look into this, but do not have time to do so immediately. Stifle (talk) 09:20, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minister for Women and Equality

Hi, I've reverted an edit you made to the Minister for Women and Equality page,where you added 'affecting females' to the line "The position has responsibility for addressing all forms of discrimination, but with particular emphasis on gender inequality affecting females."

I've added a note to the talk page Talk:Minister for Women and Equality explaining why. I think it is a factual issue, based on the legal responsibilities of the position. Hope it's clear on the page. Flapscat (talk) 10:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] AfD nomination of Airline sex discrimination policy

An article that you have been involved in editing, Airline sex discrimination policy, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airline sex discrimination policy. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Soman (talk) 05:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)