User talk:Shabda

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Note to posters: Let's try to keep two-way conversations readable. If you post to my talk page, I will just reply here. If I posted recently to another talk page, including your talk page, then that means I have it on my watchlist and will just read responses there.Shabda (T)

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[edit] Fantastico Deluxe

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We appreciate your contributions to the Fantastico Deluxe article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! --MMX 01:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Shabda, the text that you included was copyrighted, per the original text [1]. Copying and pasting text from another site is unacceptable unless the license is explicitly stated and permits you to do this (in this case, it was copyrighted and in fact the license was explicitly reserved by the author). Also, messages should be posted on a User's "discussion" page and *not* on the actual user page. --MMX 15:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem on the user page, just wanted to clarify how to leave messages. Also, it's helpful if you sign messages by including --~~~~ at the end of your comments, which automatically gets transformed into this: --MMX 22:25, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the award! utcursch | talk 04:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

You seem to be from Jharkhand, so I invite you to join the Portal Jharkhand, and contribute to articles related to Jharkhand on wikipedia.

Mayank Abhishek 10:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

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Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s):

Autoblock of 196.15.16.20 lifted or expired.

Request handled by:  Netsnipe  ►  09:45, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help needed

{{helpme}} How can I include a section to be displayed from some other page? I am trying to edit Portal:Python programming, how can I include an article like Python programming to be displayed on that portal page?

Hello, I am thw1309. I created and maintain Portal:Cahtolicism. To use such a section, you copy the parts of the article, which you need, and put them in your article archive. You should use such article archives, which change automatically every month. This gives you the possibility, to create the content whenever you want and the content is not lost after the month. --Thw1309 19:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. However what is an article archive? Shabda 19:58, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

There is one good advice, I can give you. Look for a portal you like. For excample Portal:European union is great. There I have stolen the idea of the three pages. From Portal: Christianity I have taken the structure of the page. It is much easier to use the content of an existing portal, to copy it in your sandbox and to change it until it is perfect for you. About the archives. In difference to a usual article, a portal changes much of it´s content. You do not want to spend every first day of the month to create a new content. Therefore you create archives. There, you can write whenever you want and the content will be changed every month. Another advantage: the content of the last month will not be lost. That´s an excample, how to include such an archive. {{/box-header|''Showcase article''|Portal:Christianity/Article Archive/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}||}} {{Portal:Christianity/Article Archive/{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}||}} <div style="text-align:right;margin-left:10px;margin-bottom:4px;">'''[[Portal:Christianity/Article Archive|Archive]]''' | '''[[Portal:Christianity/Selected content nominations|Nominate an article...]]'''</div> {{/box-footer|}} It looks like User talk:Shabda/box-header Portal:Christianity/Article Archive/June 2008

Archive | Nominate an article...

User talk:Shabda/box-footer Instead of creating one portal page, you will create a lot of different pages. Please be carefull. I spend two days working, because I forgot to copy one line. It looked like something I found later Portal:Roman Catholic Church. I do not know how many portal ruins there are in wikipedia. If you need any help, feel free to ask. --Thw1309 20:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Shabda 20:32, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Response to python programming page

The "quote" is not designated as such (you could use quotation marks at the least as I just did, better is a quote box). Furthermore, the quote is not attributed, nor is it sourced. Finally, this sort of material is more appropriate for Wikiquotes, please check into including it there. GoAirForce 21:47, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] notability

moved from your user page.-Chaser - T 22:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I did not tag it due to improper naming. I tagged it for notability. How are quotes from or about a programming language notable or encyclopedic in nature? Go look at ANY other encyclopedia in the world, and let me know if that is an entry. Also, it is impossible to reference something that is not notable. I will repost the tags (you are not supposed to take the tags down without discussion FIRST). Establish notability or I will submit as speedy delete.GoAirForce 21:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC) PS...this is suitable for wikiquotes but NOT wikipedia.

OK, I think I resolved this by turning it into a soft redirect to the wikiquotes page. Perhaps there is a book by van Rossum with that quote? We could include that if you can find it. To put something in a quote box, simply use the formatting: <blockquote>blah, blah, blah...</blockquote> I think the quote is notable and OK in the context of a portal, since van Rossum is identified in the portal as the "benevolent dictator" of Python. We don't really have guidelines for quotations, so it's hard to say when a quote is notable. Sometimes, a quot is enough for an entire featured article.--Chaser - T 22:24, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a subpage designed to be included in a portal. The most commonly used templates for portals includes a box for quotes. I have looked at a number of featured portals and saw a subpage with quotes. Try Portal:Hinduism for an example. So your assertion

Finally, this sort of material is more appropriate for Wikiquotes, please check into including it there.

is not valid. That page is not meant to be an encyclopedic standalone page, but something which would be included into another page. As about notability, a quote from the inventor of a programming language might not be notable in itself, but can surely be included on a portal page about that programming language. Shabda 03:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

I happen to agree with you, Shabda, that it's notable, but the lack of a source is problematic. I'd say, if you really want to include a quote section, restore it with a {{fact}} tag, and then try to find a source for that or some other quotation. The portal isn't dead without the quote (lots of portals don't have such a section), though I certainly understand if you feel strongly about including it.--Chaser - T 03:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Erm, Is not wikiquotes an acceptable source?
No, for the same reason Wikipedia doesn't reference itself. Both projects are user-editable, so whatever is on Wikiquotes may have been added by any joe, dick, or tom on the internet, just like Wikipedia. That's not to say that you can't borrow references from a Wikiquote page to reference something on Wikipedia, or some Wikipedia article to reference the same or a different assertion on another Wikipedia article.--Chaser - T 03:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption

Yes, Shabda, I'd be happy to adopt you. I looked through your contributions log and saw you have an interest in Python programming languages. Unfortunately, I don't have any knowledge in that area, but I know a lot about Wikipedia and am happy to help with anything I can and to give you feedback. Don't hesitate to ask me about anything. Even if I don't know the answer, I usually know where to ask. I can also help with things that require admin tools, as detailed on my userpage. I'll begin by commenting on some of these things on your talk page.--Chaser - T 22:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. Let me start by asking some questions?
  • What is the notability criterion for websites?
  • How can I create a soft redirect. Shabda 02:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Sure. The notability guideline for websites is Wikipedia:Notability (web), better known by its shortcut, WP:WEB (most pages that being with Wikipedia: have a shortcut). The primary criteria is the same for all notability guidelines: non-trivial coverage in secondary sources. Awards and the content provider can also establish notability, as you can see in the guideline. As to soft redirects, one can create them with {{softredirect}}, so {{softredirect|wikiquote:Python}}, for example (with the project name, then a colon, then the name of the page on its sister project).--Chaser - T 03:16, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
How can I see the contributions of a specific user?
The easiest way is to go to their userpage and then to the toolbox in the left margin. Click on "User contributions", third from the top. Alternatively, click on "my contributions" in the row at the top of the window and then replace your name with another editor's name.--Chaser - T 03:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
There is an article which I would like to create, however that page is a redirect to another page which has some informations about it. What is the criterion on deciding if the article merits an independent entry, or should it be a part of another article. I want to create Google Web Toolkit which redirects to Google code
The main considerations are whether enough sources exist to create an article that meets our verifiability policy and WP:WEB. In this case, google itself is helpful, as the relevant google news archives have plenty of sources. Frankly, it's pretty common that articles get created without sources, so don't worry too much. If you move or copy any material, note it in the edit summary, ideally with a wikilink back to the article you got it from (links work in edit summaries, too). There are some other considerations with redirects, but none appear to apply here, so you're good to go! Leave a note for me if you want a once over when you're finished. Cheers!--Chaser - T 14:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I created that article. What is the policy on moving an existing page. I would like to move page spamdexing to Black hat seo, with a redirect from [[spamdexing]. Black hat seo is a better name for the techniques. I asked if any one has objections on the talk page, but nobody has responded. How long should I wait before going ahead with such a move?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Shabda (talk • contribs)
Good job. :) The relevant policy is Wikipedia:Naming conventions and very basically says articles should have the most common name in English (with 1,000 exceptions). Given this has already gotten talk page discussion, I'd say moving or merging it is fine. There's not a hard and fast rule about how long to wait, although 5 days is plenty of time for people to notice your comment on their watchlists--use your best judgment. Be bold! Cheers.--Chaser - T 00:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thank you for pointing out the cities/towns section of WP:OUTCOMES in the Batterstown AfD, I missed that entirely! Learn something new every day! – Dreadstar † 10:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:WP:CANVAS

I don't think so, as it's related to Wikipedia. Other users put "My Contributions" and so on in their signatures too, it's the same thing I believe. :D Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 18:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

PS, are you thinking of having your say in that FAC. Please do! Thanks in advance, Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 18:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC).
Really can't help there. I have no knowledge of that area. But any way best of luck with that FAC. Shabda 18:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Dalejenkins | The Apprentice (UK)'s FA plea-please have your say! 18:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting advice

Hey, just so you know: When you're trying to add an indented comment to something placed as part of a numbered list (as you did in response to User:Husond's comments on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Crassic), the preferred method to do it is this:

# Comment 1
# Comment 2
#: Comment to comment 2
# Comment 3

which will produce:

  1. Comment 1
  2. Comment 2
    Comment to comment 2
  3. Comment 3

Notice how that does not disrupt the numbering.

Contrast this with what you did, which is:

# Comment 1
# Comment 2
:: Comment to comment 2
# Comment 3

which produces:

  1. Comment 1
  2. Comment 2
Comment to comment 2
  1. Comment 3

See how the numbering is disrupted there?

Just thought I'd let you know. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 16:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To answer your question about WP:SNOW

You asked, on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Crassic, "is WP:SNOW official wikipedia policy? Or is it an essay?" (I figured I should be the one to answer your question, saying as I invoked it in closing that RfA)

There has been a lot of back-and-forth about the exact nature of that page, but here's my take on it: SNOW is a declaration that both defines existing behavior and is a behavioral guideline for future edits (though it is by no means official). It's kind of a logical extension of WP:IAR, but that policy is also fraught with a myriad of interpretations and misinterpretations.

So, WP:SNOW doesn't really like being defined, but yet it gets invoked often anyway. It is, if anything, somewhat of a paradox. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category "Computing portals"

Please look at this category. One of the entries there is User:Shabda/drafts/Portal:Python. I don't think your user page should be listed there and I attempted to change your user page (adding a :) but it didn't work. Hope you can make the necessary changes. Thanks tooold 22:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[2] Fixed.--chaser - t 22:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Oops! And thanks Chaser. Shabda 04:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)