Talk:Shaykhism

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Contents 1 new page 2 title 3 Does this make sense? 4 Karim 5 Bahá'í Category

[edit] new page

OK, this is essentially a large part of the original Shaykh Ahmad article which had expanded beyond its remit. I have reordered it and added minor explanatory notes. Feel free to correct and expand. The article history and some of the discussions on the Shaykh Ahmad article are relevant. Please read them. Refdoc 14:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] title

I think this page should be moved to Shaykhism, or maybe Shaykhi movement. If not those, then move to Shaykhis (without the accent over the I). The guidelines for Islamic articles is to not use diacritics in the title. Cuñado - Talk 17:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I would move it to Shaykhi to go along with the other schools of thought in Twelver Shia Islam as according to those found at Twelvers#Schools of thought within the Twelvers. I can't do it myself, because the both pages have a history. -- Jeff3000 18:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does this make sense?

"Shaykhism is an Islamic religious movement founded by Shaykh Ahmad in the early 19th century Persian Empire. It began from a combination of Sufi and Shi‘a doctrines of the end times and the day of resurrection. Today the Shaykhi populations retain a minority following in Iran and Iraq.[1] In the mid 18th century many Shaykhis converted to the Bábí and Bahá'í religions, which consider Shaykh Ahmad to be a religious forerunner and predecessor of their own faiths."

I know nothing about this, but it's strange that followers of a religion managed to convert from it before their religion existed. Karlusss 23:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for finding this out, it's been fixed now. -- Jeff3000 00:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karim

"It appears (Karim) did not manage a significant following and appointed no successor.[citation needed]"

This is uncited and appears to be contradicted by the bit later on the article which says that Shaykhi sect today has a significant following in Iran, Iraq and the Gulf. Presumably these are descended from the Karim group? Any objections to my deleting it? AndrewRT(Talk) 23:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

The Shaykhi group split into a number of regional strands after Siyyid Kazim's death. There are Shaykhi groups and poublishing houses in Pakistan and elsewhere in the Middle East (Syria, Lebanon). This article is lacking in recent scholarship. The Kirmani Shaykhi's i.e Karim have however an establshed lineage/succession. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.213.86 (talk) 22:53, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bahá'í Category

In accordance with WP:Categories I do believe that this can go in both the Twelvers category and the Bahá'í category. Would there be any objections to this? Peter Deer (talk) 13:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I seem to recall a conversation somewhere that there would be a demarcation line with the Bab, where everything from then on would use Baha'i orthography and be part of the Baha'i pages, in a sense. I think the category is kind of inconsequential and I tend to want less categories on an article to keep things simple. That's just my opinion. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 19:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)