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Input to the GA process

I’m not going to GA review it (I don't feel qualified) but I will give you guys a quick list of things I know you need to fix before it has a chance, I speak from experience here. And this isn’t an exhaustive list, just my first glance look at it, but it’s a start MPJ-DK 10:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Lead text is way too short, should have 3 to 4 paragraphs as according to Wikipedia:Lead
    • Y Done
  • This article needs to use the summary style with appropriate {{main}} are used, especially for the Rockers and DX which both contains more details.
    • Y Done

From AndyZ’s Automated review tool, stuff that’s easily fixed but will stand in the way of GA

  • Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.[?]
    • Y Done
  • Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.[?]
    • Y Done
  • As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), dates shouldn't use th; for example, instead of using January 30th was a great day, use January 30 was a great day.[?]
    • Y Done
  • Per WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) may be too long- consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per Wikipedia:Summary style.[?]
  • There are a few occurrences of weasel words in this article- please observe WP:AWT. Certain phrases should specify exactly who supports, considers, believes, etc., such a view.
    • allege
    • might be weasel words, and should be provided with proper citations (if they already do, or are not weasel terms, please strike this comment).[?]
  • The script has spotted the following contractions: don't, wasn't, didn't, didn't, wasn't, didn't, aren't, if these are outside of quotations, they should be expanded.
    • Y Done
  • As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2][?]
    • Y Done

Again, MPJ-DK, thank you for this. Luckily I also have AndyZ's peer review - which makes my job a whole lot easier! :) Davnel03 11:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Add the Rocker-Dropper as Finisher

It, technically, was his finisher when he was with the Rockers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.157.179.197 (talk) 02:31, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. Just make sure that you mention that it was his finisher in the Rockers, not after. (Sawyer 00:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC))

Survivor Series Return!

Why doesn't anybody mention something about the return of H.B.K. on Survivor Series?! It's True, after all! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.44.225.21 (talk) 02:42, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

Its not notable. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
To add to that it's not been announced yet. Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball... Davnel03 09:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it has been mentioned both on HBK's web page, and in interviews with magazines, newspapers, ect. However, the established policy is that we don't post anything about it until it has been announced officially by WWE, and I doubt that will happen until at least October. (Sawyer 21:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC))
No rumors or speculations belong in any article for the umteenth time. Even if it's on Michaels page, lets wait till it happens, because things could result in him not coming here reasons that are not limited to: recurring injury, death, ect. Please read WP:CRYSTAL. Thank You. -- KBW1 19:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

What if there's a source. Zenlax 1:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Again, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:32, 05 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, on jeff hardys page it did say that when he was out that he was suspended for 30 days but then it said that on jeff hardys web page "the hardyshow.com" that he was only out to recover from injury that was caused by Mr Kennedy. --Deathtopplintheir40s 12:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Just don't add it. It will be deleted. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:44, 02 October 2007 (UTC)

Another comment re improvement of article

  • Can a See also section be added which lists related internal (Wikipedia) articles in alphabetical order. For instance check out the What links here page.
  • Can any of the lists be converted to prose? Embedded list
  • According to guidelines on WikiProject Biography and Template:Biography things seem to be progressing well. SriMesh | talk 02:35, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

april 23rd edition of raw.

anyone care to explain why the information regarding the april 23rd episode of raw was deleted? it was the episode where michaels pinned cena at the end of the near hour long match. the match is regarded as epic, and it should be mentioned.Xchickenx 10:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

If it is indeed epic, why isn't it mentioned in John Cena's article? Zenlax 6:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

i dont actually pay attention to cenas article. but i did scan it to check, and whoever contributes to his article really rushes through. and i dont know if this has relevance, but cena did job for that match, and judging by his article, the contributors want his article to appear as though cena was on a roll and unbeatable. thats probably why its not mentioned there. but check out the reference [1], it has all the information there. Xchickenx 08:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Jim Ross claimed that that was one of the best matches Michaels has ever been a part of, and i agree, that was a great match and i dont understand why it is not mentioned here, and it will be mentioned in Cenas page eventualy. But that was classed as when the "show stopper" in Michaels came back, therefor is a important part of hbk's page and his role leading up to wrestlmania 23. --Deathtopplintheir40s 12:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nominee for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of September 19, 2007, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: This article is well written and complies with the Manual of Style. You've clearly heeded the advice from Peer Reviews and GA Reviews.
2. Factually accurate?: Plenty of references are provided for the statements made in the article.
3. Broad in coverage?: Excellent coverage of the topic, and a great level of detail.
4. Neutral point of view?: This article has been written from a Neutral Point of View.
5. Article stability? I am satisfied that the article is stable.
6. Images?: Images are used correctly, and licensed correctly.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. — Pursey Talk | Contribs 08:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

return

A while back the page said he was coming back in august, now thats come and gone and the page no longer has a return date. Now was that a wrong edit or was there ever a change of plans? and if there is a change of plans then could u put the return date on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.181.90.156 (talk) 12:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

You should read the conversation on the top noting his return. Zenlax 20:06, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh thanks mate, haha i didnt see that. --Deathtopplintheir40s 12:35, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

How did this pass GA review?

While the article has come a long way and a lot of good work has been put into it, the article still has a ways to go. Strangly, I received a barnstar for helping to promote this article to GA from Zenlax, yet I practically did nothing to it. In an attempt to actually earn the barnstar and more importantly, better the article, I am now in the process of copyediting it and am finding some really bad prose, poor sentence structure, overall weirdness, and a severe lack of citations. In addition I am wikifying several wrestling terms and other words which should have easily been caught and fixed before passing GA. I am also going to point out a few things that I am not sure about, so that others might be able to fix them. I normally do this in a "Pre-GA review", but since this somehow already passed, here is my "Post-GA review":

  • AWA Paragraph
Sentence: They also appeared in the Mid-South on loan at this point. <---What is this? What does it mean? It is thrown in there with no detail, no reference and then is followed by another sentence that may or may not have something to do with this one. It is hard to tell if they are related or completely different thoughts. This thought either needs to be fleshed out or removed.
The last 4 sentences of the AWA paragraph seemingly have no citations.
  • 1988-1991 section - almost completely unreferenced.
There is only one inline citation in that whole section. While it all needs to be referenced as much as possible, the sentence about McMahon wanting WWF monikers and the sentences regarding Jim Neidhart's contract negotiations greatly need citations.
Also in this section it refers to them being "on TV" several times but never says the actual name of the TV program.
  • 1992-1993 section - same thing, needs a lot more refrencing:
Paragraph 1 - Sherri being infatuated with him, Sherri singing his theme song, "Shawn Michaels has left the building" all need references.
Paragraph 2 - First WWE ladder match, SNME title win.
Y Done Got it. Speed CG 16:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Paragraph 3 - (Not a citation/reference issue, but..) What does "he snuck past Tatanka" mean? The sentence should probably be reworded to make this point clear.
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I have to go for awhile, and will continue this review a la my previous Kurt Angle multi-part review as time allows, eventually getting through the entire article. Any changes that can be made to reflect the above suggestions/issues is greatly appreciated. Please check things off (with the {{done}} tag) as they are completed. Thanks! --Naha|(talk) 22:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

  • 1994-1995 section
Paragraph 1 - The last sentence (Brett Hart/ladder match) definitely needs an inline citation.
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Paragraph 4 - The last four sentences about The Clique need to be cited.
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
  • 1996-1997 section
Paragraph 6 - Sentence 4 causing Smith to pass out in the Figure Four Leg Lock - was this real or kayfabe? That needs to be clear.
Paragraph 7 - The last 2 sentences (flag desecration) need inline citations.
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I've done some more copyediting and am still working my way through the article. As usual, more input later. --Naha|(talk) 14:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

  • 1998-injury section
Paragraph 1 - Prior to losing the belt, Michaels, along with DX allies, made regular appearances much like Steve Austin did the previous year after injuring his neck at SummerSlam. Wrestlers such as Bret Hart, as Michaels reveals in his autobiography, did interviews on live television claiming that Michaels was faking his whole injury. Hart later apologized for these events.
(1) As much of this as possible needs to be referenced and given inline citations, especially the parts about people claiming he was faking his injuries and about Hart apologizing.
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
(2) I don't think the like Steve Austin did the previous year after injuring his neck at SummerSlam part of the first sentence is necessary, nor does it add anything to the article aside from extra wordiness. If you agree, please remove it, if not, please defend its placement in the article.
Y Done removed. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
(3) made regular appearances where? Monday Night RAW? House shows? Meet and greets? The Tonight Show with David Letterman? Please specify.
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
(4) When/where exactly did Hart apologize for "these events"?
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Paragraph 2 - Throughout late 1998 and early 1999, Michaels made regular TV appearances, booking matches, throwing around his authority, and sometimes even deciding the outcome of matches. In early 1999, Michaels turned face and re-joined D-Generation X, but disappeared from WWF television for a few months, and by the time he had returned, DX had broken up.
(1) Again, if the actual name of the TV program(s) he appeared on could be used here that would be great "regular RAW appearances" or whatever.
Y Done --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
(2) Why did he dissapear from WWF television this time? (Ah, ok, I see down in paragraph 4 it explains his several "prolonged absences" were due to the opening of his wrestling academy. However, this information comes much too late and needs to be incorporated into paragraph 3).
(3) Michaels' prolonged absences were the result of his opening of the Shawn Michaels Wrestling Academy in early 1999. In February 2001, Michaels signed a multi year contract extension with the WWF. Both of these sentences need to be referenced and given in-line citations.
  • 2003-2004 section
Last sentence - Following this, Michaels was out of action for a few months with a legitimate torn meniscus. needs a citation.

I'm still going at it, got one more section under my belt this evening, as seen above heh. If anyone wants to start working on any of this, please feel free to start :) More later, --Naha|(talk) 23:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Blue, thank you so much for spending the time to take care of a lot of the problems I have mentioned above, you have done a great job. I'm still not done with this review and still have to go through the remainder of the article, but again you have made a great start. Right now this is on the backburner for me as I have a lot of other things going on, but I will finish it. Cheers, --Naha|(talk) 00:51, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Umm confirm or deny...Heartbreak Kid (Ben Stiller Movie)

It says hes is credited as himself in the movie The Heartbreak Kid can anyone confirm of deny this as a solid fact. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0408839/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.220.25.97 (talk) 11:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well one way to find out. When the film comes out. Zenlax Talk Contributions

IMDB is not a reliable source. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
IMDB may not be a reliable source, but I think it's pretty likely that Michaels will be in a cameo role, especially since the producers would have had to get permission from WWE to use the title Heartbrake Kid. But regardless, Wikipedia is not a Crystal Ball, so we don't post anything about it until we have a reliable source. (Sawyer 02:03, 28 September 2007 (UTC))

Nope, the movie's a remake. They don't need permission from the WWE I don't think, especially since Michael's and the WWE appropriated the name "Heartbreak Kid" from the original movie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.151.155.142 (talk • contribs)

The movie may be a reamke, but the WWE owns the copyright to the name "Hearbreak Kid," so regardless of Michael's cameos or lack there of, the producers still needed WWE's permission to use that as the title. (Sawyer 04:38, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

Sawyer is so cute in the fact that she knows nothing about the law. First it would not be a copyright but rather a trademark in the name "Heartbreak Kid". Second, WWE has not had their application for the mark approved yet. See this website: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=oc23ak.4.1. The application was filed September 25, 2007. Of course the statutory rights are not in effect until the application is complete. (WWE may be able to claim some common law rights.) It is also not clear that movies and wrestling would overlap and afford protection from one goods or service to the other (See the above link and the goods and services applied for. I realize that WWE and movies are both entertainment but we have no proof that the USPTO would take it past wrestling entertainment.) Finally, even if the WWE had registered the mark 3 years ago the movie being a remake may still be an intermediate junior user and therefore would not need permission.69.86.184.244 04:49, 9 October 2007 (UTC)JL

Be courteous to one another. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:11, 09 October 2007 (UTC)

Do Not Remove Sharpshooter from signature moves

Hbk uses it in reference to Montreal Screwjob, and generally when he plays the heel role, like in the feud with Hulk Hogan at Summerslam 2005. Then Michaels is included in the list of wrestlers that used Sharpshooter, in the Sharpshooter main article. Please do not remove it. Thanks. Dave.01 23:11, 09 October 2007 (ITA)

IIRC, the only time he uses the Sharpshoote is when he is trying to get heat (which is usually only when WWE is in Canada). It's not a move he has ever used on a regular basis. TJ Spyke 23:44, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

He did apply a Sharpshooter on Randy Orton in their Survivor Series match--not to draw heat, but due to the stipulations of disqualification if he used Sweet Chin Music. He would apply other submission moves as well including the Crossface (a la Benoit, creating a stir) and Ankle Lock (a la Angle). Smobro68 (talk) 09:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Last of the AWA talent

Should it be noted that Shawn Micheals is the last of the former AWA wrestlers to still be active in the WWE? At least I think he's the last, if not, I think it should be noted that he is one of the last . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 14:53, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, if it was added, what category would it be under? (Sawyer 22:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC))

Beats me. I just think it should be mentioned, as AWA was influential to the WWE in the fact that the WWE wooed most of the AWA talent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 00:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It should probably be added around the first section or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

That's if he's the last member of the AWA. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:04, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

He is the last member of the AWA still active in WWE. Hulk Hogan was also in the AWA, but he only makes his "special apperances." I don't believe there are any other superstars on the WWE roster that wrestled for the AWA before it was bought out by Vince McMahon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 05:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Marty Jannety still works behind the scenes in WWE, so Shawn wouldn't be the last of the talent. Also, please sign your posts. (Sawyer 00:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC))

On March 3, 2006, WWE announced that it had severed all professional ties with Jannetty without further explanation.

On September 15, 2006, it was announced on WWE.com that Jannetty had signed a new contract and would be returning as a veteran to work with younger talent. WWE.com also stated that Jannetty, along with two other veterans, could also be granted a full-time contract pending the success of this initial venture.

However according to Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Jannetty was rumored to have been released yet again on September 29th. Jannetty himself countered this rumor on his MySpace page, stating it was untrue. However, the January 2007 issue of WWE Magazine stated that Jannetty had been fired.

On December 22, 2006, Jannetty replied through his MySpace website, stating that it was The Boogeyman who had been fired and not returned WWE's phone calls. Jannetty insisted that the article in WWE Magazine was false. On December 24, 2006 in a blog on his website, Jim Ross stated that Marty Jannetty was no longer with WWE.

I don't look to me like Marty Jannetty works for WWE anymore. As I said, Shawn Micheals is the last of the ACTIVE AWA wrestlers. Sgt. Slaughter still does his guest appearances. So does the Hulk. The bottom line is Michaels is the last active AWA wrestler in the WWE and I think it should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.144.177.39 (talk) 17:51, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

HBK IS THE NEW WWE CHAMPION

He won the Belt Tonight 8/28/2007 on Cyber Sunday! He got voted for the most, and Orton got DQ'd, SO HBK IS THE NEW CHAMP! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.225.21 (talk) 02:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The only reason I won't insult you is because I must ASSUME GOOD FAITH...

1. Shawn Michaels did not win the WWE Championship tonight, because he won by disqualification. (See Professional_wrestling#Disqualification)

2. How do you not know this? Are you a wrestling fan? If not, why have you been vandalizing WP:PW articles?

Lex94 Talk Contributions Signatures 02:17, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It's August now? BTW, that loud bang you heard was my head exploding. Nothing more. Mshake3 03:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

i, too, must assume good faith, but i cant help but laugh! thats pretty ignorant. Xchickenx 03:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, u mean u didnt see the end of the match where u would have heard the winner of this match by DQ hbk, therefor orton is still wwe champ. --Metal to the Max! 11
28, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

w/John Cena Tag champ picture

Does anyone else feel it should be removed? It adds nothing to the article and is incredibly blurry and hard to make out. Gavyn Sykes 04:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd keep it only because it's an image of him with a championship. If a better one can be found, then it should be used. At the same time, the picture just plain sucks, so it should be removed just because of that. Mshake3 04:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)'

English

If a wrestler from the United Kingdom wrestles in America for WWE such as Finlay. Who is apparently from Northern Ireland, Belfast however he is considerd American by all people who watch wrestling from the United Kingdom. It is fair to say that we can class Shawn Michaels as a ENGLISH wrestler. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 11:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd also like to point out that this is a FACT so don't try disputing it. English people can class him as English!

Where do you get that he's English? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
His from San Antonio,TX so i dont know how you think his English in any way. --Metal to the Max! 11:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

And being from England I'd like to point out that I consider Finlay to be, strangely enough, Northern Irish (political complexities ignored) just like I consider HBK to be American. Tony2Times (talk) 20:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

He's not English, but American. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

April 23rd, 2007.

Should it be noted that his match with John Cena on April 23rd, 2007 gained "Best Match of 2007" on WWE.com by the fans or is it not important enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.209.140.21 (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

It should be mentioned. Zenlax T C S 20:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Uh, then why isn't it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.209.140.21 (talk) 23:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Be aware, there's speculation that the Polls are rigged by WWE.com. See the article at www.nodq.com Resonanttoe (talk) 14:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

rig or not, It's one of the most talked about and highest rated matches of the year.. 142.162.207.62 (talk) 18:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm questioning it. How would it fit the article? Zenlax T C S 20:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.205.90 (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikiquote Link Removed

I don't know why, but Shawn Michaels does not have a Wikiquote Article, so I removed the link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zack Shadow (talk • contribs) 09:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good job. But next time, be careful to what you actually remove. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

...Any particular reason you decided to re-add it before checking, the day after I told you it wasn't there? Zack Shadow (talk) 03:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

See here. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:44, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

...And? I get it, I removed the media link by mistake, I'm sorry, but according to the revision history, on Jan 3 you re-added the WikiQuote link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zack Shadow (talk • contribs) 23:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I know, but I undid my edits and fixed it. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Drug Problems

Is it worth mentioning all the problems that Michaels' had in his early career, where he took pills etc., and had a falling out with Triple H and was fired from the WWE in 2001? Watching Heartbreak & Triumph was a real shock factor in seeing that HBK, wasnt exactly the biggest role model after his injury in 1998. Masterofdestiny (talk) 10:32, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

He wasn't fired in 2001. Speed CG Talk 16:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Trust me mate, he was fired, in Triple H's own words, the night the WCW purchase aired, he states the Shawn entered McMahon's offcie, where he, Undertaker and others were watching, and Shawn entered pilled out, and Vince later told Shawn that he was gone, and then Shawn entered the locker room and claimed Triple H stabbed him in the back, and then the two didnt speak for a year, before Kevin Nash told him to call Triple H, which he did and then he suddenly got a call to ask if he could make it to RAW for the nWo angle, its not word for word but thats the jist of it. Masterofdestiny (talk) 9:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.84.130 (talk)
I've read the book and I've seen the DVD and nowhere does it mention that Shawn got fired. However, in the night that Shane bought WCW, they were going to use Shawn, but he was "pilled out" of his mind, in which Vince did indeed told Shawn they weren't going to need him, as per Triple H telling Vince that Shawn was out of it. But never fired. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:50, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well its close enough, he was released is that a better term, I still think it ought to be mentioned, I mean whenever other wrestler have had personal demons or alike, its been mentioned. Masterofdestiny (talk) 8:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.82.141 (talk)

Personal Life

Someone needs to edit his personal life sectin. It looks like someone discovered his last name for the first time and went crazy with it. It keeps on saying Hickenbottom blah blah blah.... Hickenbottom doo doo de da.... and just keeps on going and going. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.124.171 (talk) 02:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

That's how it should be. Per WP:PW and WP:BLP, non-wrestling sections should use real names. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 02:58, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

New Inverted Figure Four Submission Finisher

Shawn debuted a new version of the figure four this past Monday on RAW to Trevor Murdoch by executing a feint Sweet Chin Music into the move. This should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.191.86.225 (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

It looked like he was going to do the Sharpshooter, left everyone to breathe, then tranisitioned it in a way which the commentators could only descibe as an "inverted figure four leglock". There's one problem, though; there does not seem to be an appropriate entry on the list of Professional wrestling holds. Check the vid here: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/videos/ Dlae│here 17:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I've linked the move to the Leg-and-ankle lock. Dlae│here 17:35, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
He's only used it once. There is no way to know if he will use it on a regular basis and to say he will is crstalballing (which is not allowed). I am removing it, do not put it back unless he uses it on several occasions. TJ Spyke 21:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
He attempted to use it again on the January 21, 2008 edition of RAW on Mr. Kennedy. I am not sure whether it was actually applied, but it looks as it will be used from now on. Probably not as frequently as Sweet Chin Music. GuffasBorgz7 (talk) 13:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't matter, he didn't use it, so its still not notable. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 20:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

He used it again this week and apparently he uses it next week on Jeff Hardy. I think it's fair to say it is part of his arsenal if he continues to use it or attempts to used it week after week. (Winston Deckard) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.127.220.65 (talk) 04:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok the move is listed on wrestling holds page as a modified figure four leglock. Should we just go with that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WinstonDeckard (talk • contribs) 07:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Picture

I realize there their are limitations on what pictures can be used on here, but that picture that is currently up there is horrible looking. There has to be one that better than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.107.217.175 (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Pardon? Which one? Zenlax T C S 17:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The main one above his stats and info. 75.107.217.175 (talk) 23:15, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you happen to own a free-use image of Michaels? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
If you dont, then this picture stays, helps the article, ;). NimiTize 01:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

KEnnedy-HBK Feud......

Small Text Since jerichos return, michaels started feuding with kennedy right? why doesnt anybody mention that??202.175.228.105 (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)lordzeus

If the feud doesn't last long, its not notable. If it does last long, it will be added. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 15:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
It has almost been 2 months. I think it can be added. Lex T/C Guest Book 02:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

its been 2 and a half months.. add it.

142.162.191.122 (talk) 15:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Now that I see it, what exactly did Michaels gain in his feud with Kennedy? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:43, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Win and a loss. SexySeaShark 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Defensive wording of back injury

The article currently states: "He was inactive from in-ring competition from 1998-2002 due to a legitimate severe back injury." A legitimate back injury? What other kinds of severe back injuries are there? What, people are going to think it was an angle if you don't put "legitimate" in there? He was out for four years! Just call it a severe back injury and be done with it. 69.215.146.236 (talk) 13:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Can you Repeat that, I didn't really understand. NimiTize 01:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need to be sarcastic? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Needs to be updated!!!!!!!!!!

Many of WWE superstars pages have not been updated. i have updated Umaga and JBL but there are HEAPS MORE!!!! Please tell everyone!!!!! 14:42 28 January 2008 (UTC)

And what exactly needs to be updated? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 04:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
And please sign your posts. (Sawyer (talk) 06:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC))
when i say upate i mean information after armageddon 06:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC))
Well I did update it but Blue reverted it. =)--TrUCo9311 01:45, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Truco, what you added, was the fact that he participated at the Royal Rumble, as we all saw, he didn't win the Rumble, which doesn't make it notable to add to the article. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:07, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

A match at the Royal Rumble is notable. It should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.146.198 (talk) 08:17, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Don't know if this helps in the notable department, but while Shawn did not win the Rumble of 2007, he and Undertaker did go a good long while as the final two before Shawn was finally eliminated. Then, in a weirdly cool irony, in 2008, they started the Rumble (Shawn drew #2) going some 30-odd minutes before eliminating Undertaker then quickly being eliminated right after by Kennedy. Smobro68 (talk) 09:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

If he would have won it, then it would be mentioned in the article. But since he didn't win it, its pointless to add it to the article. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 22:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

ok maybe not the rumble but what about the with kennedy, armeggeddon, Raw 15 century an beating trevor for spot at the rumble. its been months till this was updated!!!--Fhassan (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

That's because nothing notable has happened in months. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 04:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Except for the new submission Michael's has been using. But since I am inept at editing someone else needs to do it.WinstonDeckard (talk) 23:06, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Even though the Rumble was not notable, what, your going to say "Shawn Michaels enter in #30 AT THE 2008 Royal Rumble, and got eliminated by Kennedy", even that won't make sense. NimiTize 23:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
I doubt that would be added in the article. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yea I know, that's why I pointed out even if it was notable, it wouldn't make sense. NimiTize 00:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Mabye this article would get a update after No Way Out, if Michaels wins the Chamber match, or at Wrestlemania 24, if something big happens. Yea, we know that the article does not have updates, but it matters if its notable, or if its week by week. NimiTize 01:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

i may not be a big influence around here, but here is a list of things that i think should be included

  • Notable fueds
  • Pay-per-veiw matches
  • Qualifications (eg. Royal Rumble)

If you don't agree please let me know User:Edgebelow (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree with the qualification for the Royal rumble being added. Qualifying fot the rumble is not notable at all. It's notable if you win the rumble, but other than that, no to qualifying matches. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Agree, qualifications are non-notable. Unless an elimination or an action within the Rumble match sparks a feud between two wrestlers, or is continued within the Rumble match (such as Chavo vs. Punk this year), the match itself is non-notable unless they win. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The only thing notable that would happen so far, if Michaels qualifys for the Money in The Bank AT Wrestlemania AND wins it. NimiTize 17:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
He's facing Ric Flair at WrestleMania. SexySeaShark 17:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Well then, if he beats Flair and ends his "career", that should be added, unless its not notable. NimiTize 04:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
If he does "beat" him, then yeah it would be notable to add. But, if he doesn't then.... no, its not notable. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 02:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Does the information stated in the present section be mentioned? Even though, it was nothing of notability in Michaels career? Zenlax T C S 19:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

New Move

Somebody please add the new finisher of Shawn Michaels. The Submission manuevre that looks like a Modified figure four leglock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver3 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Finisher? SexySeaShark 16:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
According to JR, the move is called "Almost a version of an Indian Deathlock, with some Figure 4 principles". I propose it be added under that name. Tnova4 (talk) 07:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

I say we add the new submission the way it's being called in the Wrestling Holds page, which is a modified figure four. Simply for continuity purposes.WinstonDeckard (talk) 05:07, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The move yes, but not as a finisher. Zenlax T C S 14:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hasn't he started using the crippler crossface as one of his finishers also? 129.67.39.147 (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Icosahedron

I believe he's used it about once in the last couple of months, so that would be a no. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 17:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
His reverse figure four or whatever it is should be added. No to the crossface, he's used it twice in the past few months, both times unsuccessfully. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:56, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I personally call it a "Sit-down inverted Sharpshooter" since its applied initially like a Sharpshooter but then he pulls their extended leg under his arm, pins their knee with his knee and sits down. All the same I've never seen anything like it before. SuperSonicTH (talk) 03:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

He used the crossface on Umaga (dually with Jericho executing his Walls Of Jericho) during the Raw Elimination Chamber at No Way Out 2008. The new submission finisher was used on Lance Cade on Raw February 25, 2008. Had Trevor Murdoch not interfered causing a DQ, Shawn could have won by submission. Smobro68 (talk) 11:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Very true, but its not notable if will continue using either both submission moves. Zenlax T C S 21:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)