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[edit] Merging Diamond plate and Whetstone (tool) to Sharpening stone

I put up the merge notices as they are all used for the same thing and this article has a good start on other types of stones. What do you all think? Luigizanasi 01:45, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I suppose to be technically accurate, a diamond plate is not really a stone per se. However, if you think there's value in merging them, perhaps there might some common information that can be shared, I don't have a problem with it. No problem with whetstone as the way I understand it, the term is synonymous with oilstone. SilentC 22:30, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Merged. Zeimusu | Talk page 03:58, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

This is kind of diamond plate related, I guess. Should it be mentioned that diamond is not for use in automatic applications for cutting/sharpening steel, like dremel tools and other abrasive/cutting processes? At the colder temperatures of hand sharpening it's fine, but as soon as you put it on a machine, the temperatures involved cause the diamond to react with and dissolve into the steel workpeice. - Toastydeath 04:53, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diamond plate talk page

Image of Diamond plate requested. -Dr Haggis - Talk 20:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Added images of Diamond Plate and Waterstones. SilentC 20:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Improvisation

Is it possible to improvise a sharpening stone in the wild? What kind of stone would produce this?

Natural sharpening stones tend to be of sedimentary composition, with fine grit sizes and relatively soft. Anything that met that criteria would probably work to a greater or lesser degree. I know people who sharpen their chisels to a reasonable edge on concrete or a brick! I suppose the only real requirement is that rubbing the steel blade on the material, whatever it might be, causes some of the steel to be removed. Everything else just comes down to how long it takes, how durable the surface of the material is, and how fine an edge you want. SilentC 03:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the info on Japanese waterstones seems to be copied from external link

I don't know if this is plagiarism or not. Maybe this should be checked out

Check the copyright box above - third yellow box from the top. SilentC 22:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that too - it looks like a word for word copy of the other site, but who knows which came first?

It looks like a word for word copy, because that is what it is - although some changes have been made since. It was contributed to Wikipedia by the author of the external link. That's why we have this big yellow notice at the top of the page:
"The content of this article has been derived in whole or part from [1]. Permission has been received from the copyright holder to license this material under the GNU Free Documentation License, and evidence of this has been lodged with the Wikimedia PR department."
So hopefully we can all sleep easy tonight knowing that. SilentC 22:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What stores (in the US) carry water stones?

Any decent woodworking store in the US will carry a reasonable selection. Better ones will carry a wide variety of brands each with their own characteristics.

I tried looking for these in hardware stores, but was only able to find machine grinders and diamond plates. Can water stones be purchased from any stores in the US or are they a specialty item that you have to buy from an import shop? Anyone have luck finding these in a Chinatown? What kind of prices do they carry? 24.6.99.30 21:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Places where you buy straight razors have water stones. I have a dual 4000/8000 grit water stone I bought from some straight razor place online. - Toastydeath 22:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Some local hardware stores carry them, but best is to Google water stones. 2nr Tom 18:21, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Amazon. Google

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=4975

[edit] ok..., but how do you do it?!?

Theory is essential, but in my basement I also need practicalities. Anyone?

Wikipedia is not the place for instructions on sharpening (see WP:NOT#INFO). There are plenty of places on the web to get this information, try Google or join a woodworking forum. SilentC 02:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The section is full of errors. For example: Belgian Coticule stones are not the best of the natural stones. Coticule stones come in qualities but the gold standard for natural honing stones is German green hones - which are no longer on the market. Arkansas stones are completely different than Charney Forest stones - the latter being a honing slate. (you can argue that some of the Japanese stones are much better but that I don't know about).

[edit] Section Full of Error

The section is full of errors. For example: Belgian Coticule stones are not the best of the natural stones. Coticule stones come in qualities but the gold standard for natural honing stones is German green hones - which are no longer on the market. Arkansas stones are completely different than Charney Forest stones - the latter being a honing slate. (you can argue that some of the Japanese stones are much better but that I don't know about). Insert non-formatted text here

[edit] Other type of Diamond Plate

I searched for Diamond Plate because that's what I'm used to calling the metal sheets with diamond-shaped studs (Google Images) that are used on a lot of vehicles and in industrial areas for grip. Is there another name for these plates, and if so should we put a disambiguation message at the top of Sharpening stone? -- Mike Blackney 07:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Another name for that which is used here in Australia is checker plate (or sometimes chequer plate). Good point, not sure what the generic term for this stuff is. It really needs an article though to have a disambiguation link. SilentC 22:50, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
In the catalogs I've seen them called diamond stones, diamond whetstones, diamond honing stones, and diamond bench stones. 2nr Tom 18:14, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Water and Oil Questioned

I disagree with the statement that "Lubrication aids the cutting action and carries away swarf" (under Whetstones and Oilstones). A dry stone will work more efficiently when it isn't lubricated. Also it has been proven that a superior edge can be gotten without oil and water because the slurry of loosened abrasive particles can damage an edge that is being sharpened by this method (see "The Razor Edge Book of Sharpening" by John Juranitch, p22, 1985, Warner Books, NY). Juranitch discovered this in his own practice of sharpening knives for meat packing plants and proved it with an electron microscope. The knives "that had been sharpened in oil had small chips knocked out of the cutting edge; the dry-sharpened blades did not." 2nr Tom 08:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

--69.151.63.187 (talk) 05:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC) The lubricant keeps it from clogging up.