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Anybody who can confirm the recent anonymous edit that Line 5 is also distance based instead of fixed fare? I haven't seen that line yet, so I have not idea which is true. CyeZ 02:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I believe that Shanghai Line 5 is also distance based. Heights 17:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Separate Shanghai Metro station articles

I have started the quite massive undertaking of rebranding the existing articles on Shanghai Metro stations as specific Shanghai Metro articles, or "outsourcing" the information concerning the metro station from articles concerning places of the same name.

Apart from bringing the series in line with the major other subway series on Wikipedia (compare London Underground, New York subway and Hong Kong Subway, as well as the Chinese version of the Shanghai Metro series), my rationale for doing this is

  • to solve the factual inaccuracy (something like a map territory problem) resulting from equaling actual places to metro stations. For instance, recently we had the case of Dongfang Lu station being renamed Shiji Avenue station. By redirecting an article 'Dongfang Lu' to 'Shijie Avenue', is appears as if the street has been renamed, which is not the case, as instead the station has taken the name of another street! Each article describing Shanghai metro stations should therefore also outwardly reflect the identity of a metro station, rather than the place it is named after.
  • to avoid foreseeable cluttering that will become a problem as soon as more information is added to the articles about both the metro stations and the places they are named after.
  • specifically to avoid the problem with Shanghai Metro stations being named after street sections. While articles on Shanghai streets always refer to the street on the whole (compare Nanjing Road), stations are often named after street sections (compare West Nanjing Road (Shanghai Metro)). Describing several geographically distant stations of (potentially different) lines in the same street article might prove confusing, and again result in the factual inaccuracy described above.

I have considered both the London model (e.g. Baker Street tube station), the New York model (e.g. Seventh Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line)) and the Hong Kong Model (e.g. Kwai Fong (MTR)) and taken a scheme close to the Hong Kong model to establish a clear association of the subject described in the article with the Shanghai Metro (e.g. East Nanjing Road (Shanghai Metro). The naming scheme is also based upon the official translations given in announcenments and on signs (in English, as this is the English wikipedia). Alternative writings may direct to the main articles.

The idea is that eventually, the metro station articles (apart from history etc.) will give information similiar to the information signs in the Shanghai subway stations, while the articles on places will specifically include information concerning them. To avoid redundancy, I'd suggest not to include any details (like landmarks) to locations near the metro stations, but leave this information on the respective pages.

The process of rebranding has already been finished for Line 2. To avoid unnecessary stubs, articles with no other information than about the metro station have been moved (e.g. Jiangsu Road (Shanghai Metro), while pages with more information have been splitted (e.g. People's Square (Shanghai). As there are still a few lines to cover, any helping hand for the remaining stations is warmly welcomed. -- Bluebird47 23:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I like what you are doing there. It's a long overdue move and I think it's great that you are taking on such a huge and perhaps repetitive task.
I also agree with your proposed naming scheme. I will try to help where I can. --Sumple (Talk) 02:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad to read that you support these changes :) I have now completed Line 1, so that the two main lines of Shanghai Metro now have consistent articles. -- Bluebird47 14:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
While I was at it, I incorporated the northern extension of Line 3 and the western extension of Line 2 which both opened in Dec 2006. There's one issue I couldnt resolve yet, maybe you can find out more in the original Chinese sources: is Songbin Road or Wusong Town the final name of one station of Line 3? -- Bluebird47 18:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
According to the Chinese wiki, Songbin Road is the name of one of the new stations. --Sumple (Talk) 00:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, so it seems the official news article is right indeed (and the maps are wrong). I just completed Line 3 and Line 4 is half-way done. One further issue I had that I'd like to get confirmed concerns Shanghai Stadium and Shanghai Indoor Stadium. Old maps show the former to be part of Line 1 (and I remember that quite clearly), while now it is part of Line 3 exclusively, and Shanghai Indoor Stadium is a transfer station for both lines. Does this mean that they closed down Shanghai Stadium metro station (as Line 3 is above ground) in favor of a new Shanghai Indoor Stadium station (both subway and above ground)? -- Bluebird47 00:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I think you mean line 4 - which is the new subway line, not line 3. Line 3 passes by near the stadiums but doesn't have a stop there.
I think it's only the translation that's changed: Shanghai Indoor Stadium was the original Line 1 station and it's still a Line 1 station. The Chinese name was and still is "上海体育馆" ("Shanghai Sports Hall"). My guess is that this station was translated as "Shanghai Stadium" originally, becuase the new outdoor stadium had not been built at the time. This is the station that's on both line 1 and line 4. My guess is that after the new outdoor stadium was built, they changed the translation of the station name to "Shanghai Indoor Stadium" to avoid confusion.
"Shanghai [outdoor] Stadium" is a station on line 4 only. --Sumple (Talk) 08:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I see there all the confusion mentioned in the original article is coming from. After continued search, I got some interesting clues: first, you are right, in Chinese the line 1 metro station was always called 上海体育馆 ("Shanghai Wantiguan") even on old maps. However Shanghai [Outdoor] Stadium did exist at the time they used "Shanghai Stadium" as the translation for the Line 1 metro station (I have photos from 2004 showing the same building as in the respective WP article). Then I checked Google Maps and saw the two stadiums are not just "close" but literally next to each other. In light of that, which metro station takes which name sure seems like a pure formality. So the English name of the station referred to the outdoor stadium (or, in fact, both of them) and the Chinese one specifically to the indoor stadium. Then, they build line 4 and a new (above ground) station a bit away took the Chinese name for outdoor stadium "海体育场", in English, "Shanghai Stadium". So the original line 1 station (now with line 4 transfer) had to switch to the more precise translation "Shanghai Indoor Stadium". Does this explanation make sense to you? -- Bluebird47 15:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
yeah, that's what I think as well. The outdoor stadium was built after line 1: line 1 in 1994 or thereabouts?? and the outdoor stadium was built in 1997. --Sumple (Talk) 23:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV - "The Shanghai Subway has to be one of best systems in the world."

This sentance and possibly others in this article are POV. Triona 17:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I've made an attempt to correct the POV and generally clean up the article. Can someone verify the information in the article? --Robinspw 18:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] This is not the Shanghai Metro Information Site

Please stop adding superfluous information like timetables. CAn you imagine if London Underground had timetables for every single line? I am also concerned about the verifiability or lack thereof of the "planned" information. Planned disneyland?? Disney has emphatically said that they have no plans to build a theme park in Shanghai in the forseeable future as far as I remember. --Sumple (Talk) 11:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Because WP:NOT a crystal ball, any future/planned happenings should be appropriately referenced. enochlau (talk) 12:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Further to that, see Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Shanghai_Metro/Timetables, and in particular, Shanghai Metro Line 1. There are timetables everywhere! Before I go and obliterate them, I would like to hear from the editors who put them up why they think they should stay. enochlau (talk) 12:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Map

The map is ridiculous. The text for each of the stations is not consistent + the line 3 extension and the line 2 extension has already been opened. I think a route map of such a large subway system should be important and currently it does not seem so. Heights 00:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)