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[edit] Vocal Ability

Whoever keeps deleting that, please stop. Shakira does have tremendous vocal ability! why are u guys deleting it?? If Christina AGuielra, Mariah carey etc has one, Shakira deserves one as well, especially after her MTV UNplugged performance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catsmartie (talk • contribs) 10:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Shakira does have a great vocal ability. In fact, she's a speech level singer just like Mariah Carey. She sings while she dances too so it's hard for people to tell since she's out of breath most of the time. --69.224.122.230 (talk) 04:19, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'known for her intelligence'

Well that sentence in the introduction strikes me as quite odd, as most people would not associate 'intelligence' when someone mentions 'Shakira'. And IQ 140 is not so high that it would be an interesting fact on its own. Remove?

That's about 98th percentile.

I would think so. Nevertheless, the fact that she speaks five languages is not such a big deal, at least outside the US. --201.73.169.229 13:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

An IQ of 140 is above average, but not spectacular. Additionally, the citation for this "fact" is an entertainment magazine that anecdotally mentions how she "reportedly has an IQ of 140." Due to the irrelevance of the information and the lack of credible sources, I believe this reference should be removed. Brash 18:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Posting the referenced website for your edification: http://www.usaweekend.com/05_issues/051211/051211cover_shakira.html
Brash 18:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
how is that meant to edify me? 140 is considered 'genius level' and qualifies her for membeship in mensa. that is notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 16:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


Shakira's verbal IQ may be much higher than 140. IQ is a combined math/verbal measure-- but many people with a strong verbal IQ will score far lower in math. (People high in both verbal and math IQ are much more rare).

Hence Shakira's math/verbal average of 140 may be hiding a far higher verbal IQ-- if her math abilities are left out of the average.

The fact that she started writing poetry at age 4 also suggests that her verbal IQ (with the math score left out) is considerably higher than 140.

Sean7phil (talk) 17:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

She has said she has a "an IQ of nearly 140", and she has also said that she exaggerates (in the documentary of Live and Off the Record), so before she tells the exact number an shows a document it might be 125 as well. In either case, IQ isn't the most important quality of a person - those with genious IQ's usually do worse in life than people with IQ little above average. She's not a member of the Mensa, so it's below the level of mensa in either case, but little white lies belong to the pop culture. She speaks three languages instead of five, Spanish, English and Portuguese, but she fills in the words she doesn't know with Spanish, some Italian and a few words of Arabic and French, put if you wish to say she speaks five languages it's ok, but by that manner of counting some people speak dozens :) ~20:47, 28 May 2008(Dreamoffrozensky)

[edit] Both only child AND older brother?

Currently, the article says both "She is the only child of Nidya del Carmen Ripoll Torrado, a Colombian of Spanish and Italian ancestry, and William Mebarak Chadid, of Lebanese descent." and "At the age of eight, after an older brother was killed in a motorcycle accident (she was only two when this happened), Shakira wrote her first song entitled "Tus gafas oscuras" ("Your dark glasses")." Was she an only child, or did she have an older brother? (It's possible that she had an older half-brother, and is the only child of Nidya and William. But that should be given with a reference.) Chip Unicorn (talk) 00:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps since her older brother died she became an only child (at age two).

24.8.106.182 (talk) 02:57, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


shes the only child of her mother, but her father was married to another woman before and had more children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.88.236.1 (talk) 01:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] can someone change the picture of her from the Walmart Meeting

find a more flattering picture --unsigned

Or at least explain it... it almost implies she is a major shareholder, which I assume is not true.
--AlanH (talk) 01:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "She has a total of four,.. 51"

I removed "She has a total of four, the lowest one being number 51." from the last paragraph in the opening section (United world charts) because it makes zero sense. It probably made sense when looking at the charts, but it has no place being in the intro. --AlanH (talk) 01:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] charity auctioning

FWIW: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7242493.stm — pd_THOR | =/\= | 03:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Descent

She is the youngest of eight siblings of Niday del Carmen Ripoll Torrado, a Colombian of Spanish and Italian ancestry, and William Mebarak Chadid, of Lebanese and Macedonian descent. If true, the source should be mentioned. I've been reading a few websites and comments, many of them talking about her Catalan mother and her Lebanese father. The surname Ripoll is certainly Catalan, so is her mother a Catalan migrant to Colombia or a Colombian with a Catalan father? Same thing for her father, is he a Colombian of Lebanese descent or a Lebanese migrant to Colombia? The whole sentence looks vague and unreliable. --Purplefire (talk) 11:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plaigurism?

I've heard that one of Shakira's songs sounds exactly like a Testament song, and was written significantly after the Testament song was written. I don't know which Testament song, or which of Shakira's songs, so if someone has more info on this that would be great. Sorry I don't know more about it, but I'm pretty sure there's something to this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.16.71.212 (talk) 05:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

"How do you do" has the Lord's prayer in it (I think..) at the beginning but that's hardly plagiarism. 79.72.192.253 (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] anti-israel

dont delete the article people should know what she said(talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.80.93 ([[User talk:# Star-of-David92 |talk]])

Please see the WP:BLP requirements against defamation. The extremely questionable addition will rightly be deleted until it meets the sourcing requirements. Rumors have no place in Wikipedia.--Burzum (talk) 02:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
She definitely did not make those statements. Someone obviously has an ax to grind see http://www.adl.org/rumors/shakira.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.20.125 (talk) 05:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Clearly, a hoax. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 05:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] the N1 singles are false

Joeys112 (talk) 15:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC) the section "Number-one singles" is false, for example las de la intuicion was never a number one hit in Canada, Italy, France It didnt even chart in those country being a spanish song, and the rest of its peaks are absolutely wrong. Im not talking just about this song , many have false peak positions and what shows that this have been an act of "vandalism"; if you see the total number of n1 hits in each country and check the bottom of the column youll see that the numbers are wrong , for example europe, germany, portugal, japan ..

[edit] The "Sexuality" section

Please, could someone edit or delete that section? The majority of it seems to be based on opinion, which infringes upon the standards of Wikipedia. Also, it is sloppily written. On a personal note, I find the implication that the music video of "Whenever, Wherever" was Shakira's first to endear viewers very insulting. She was indisputably rolling out successful music videos LONG before then.

Rey sin corona (talk) 03:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

It's been removed: see this edit. Thanks. Acalamari 15:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Songwriting and samples

Please don't just remove my conbtribution. If you believe it is badly put improve it, add your own notions, as you wish. BUt an encyclopedic article cannot simply say the positive things about her songwriting or only state a fans opinion, it needs facts and other information as well. I truly believe that these similarities should be there, so that people interested can examine the phenomenon. I do not claim that it is plagiarism, I never judged it, that is for people to decide, some other artist are known to write songs that are based on other songs, as Oasis, if I'm not incorrect. The only thing that is sure that it can't be a coincidence: an artist once coming up with a similar melody by accidence can be, but not when there are so many songs, and the songs share so many elements - the instrumentation too is always very similar.

To editor 83.60.50.158: You didn't even write an edit summary on why you made the edit, please read the guide of Wikipedia for editing, and mold my writings into better form, but I really believe what I said should stay on that page in some form, and I will stand behind that opinion. Please tell which parts in it do not please you, and listen to the songs in guestion - you will see that it is correct information all the way trough. If the songs weren't so close to one another I would have never posted it. ~20:47, 28 May 2008(Dreamoffrozensky)

I think the reason your contributions were repeatedly deleted was that they were totally unreferenced, and thus effectively your own point of view. Saying that they were "empirical observation" just underlines this, because you're really just saying "I listened to them and I think they sound the same". Putting this kind of material into Wikipedia will fall foul either of WP:NPOV or WP:NOR and someone will almost certainly revert it. And because it touches on the work of a living person, the article is a sensitive subject (see WP:BLP), so any suggestion of negative behaviour - thinly veiled accusations of plagiarism, for example - will almost certainly be reverted if it's not supported by credible references.
Your catalogue of musical similarities was detailed and must have taken you some time to compile. Can't you find some references to support it, and include them in the article too? Has there been any discussion of the subject in the mainstream media that you could link to to support your suggestions? If so, your contribution is far less likely to be removed if you repost it. -- Karenjc 19:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

They were deleted once, with no edit summary, no endeavours to improve it, just like that, like the person didn't care about being fair at all. And actually no, it's not my opinion at all, those things are all over the net. But can you link onto youtube videos then? I think the best way is to simply listen to the songs, to know that it is the same and know something about probabilities. There was an official article about some of the songs few years ok by some art magazine but it's not on the internet, that magazine mentioned the samples of Michelle and Shine On Your Crazy Diamond, and some others, can't remember which, and saiid that "her stand on plagiarism is the same as the Oasis boys" maybe someone remmebers which magazine it was, so it can be referenced. Anyhow, here are some links, you can see if you believe your ears or not: [[1]] Shakira is #6, [[2]] at #8, [[3]] #3, [[4]] [[5]] [[6]] (the songs match almost completely), [[7]] compare to intro of [[8]] then the whole El matador to [[9]] [[10]]. I assure you none of those channels are mine. Just check these videos from youtube and the other songs.

Can you put forum discussions and other unofficial things as references? If not, I think it's pretty comical because official media never writes anything negative, so to remove my comments because of not having official sources (maybe we could ask Sony, lol :)) wouldn't be responsible behaviour but blatand censorship. Besides, it doesn't matter if people ignore it, I just happened to know and I felt quilty for not telling it, so I had to, but now I have a peace of mind. Here are some discussions [[11]], [[12]], [[13]], [[14]] . Use search to find the correct pints. HOwever, Hip's Don't Lie mentiones the song sampled, with small print but still, so it wasn't a real plagiarism. There were accusations of plagiarism of Diego Torres's song, but it was settled outside of court or something like that, but I don't know where to find a source and if only people who will lie for people they are fans of read this article, then of course noone will help in sourcing it, because they wish it to not be true. So do as you will, but just try to remember that it really DOES matter and at least people have the right to know such things, even when they may think that it doesn't matter at all. I think the problem is that some people get accused of plagiarism because they're not liked and then the people who do it get away with it for being so popular. But so be it, people just should be objective and judge everyone by the same standards that's all. AT the end of the day, everyone chooses who can tell if something resembles a song in a way that could never be a coincidence, it's just a question of what kind of a world you wish to live in (I feel like a lawyer saying that:)). SO by deleting it or letting it be you will make a statement on that, on whether it matters or not, but I've said what I needed to. You can easily find more discussions by searching google.So if anyone thinks it matters, then add it again if someone deletes it, it can be found on the history under my user name, and if nobody cares, then accept that that's the world you are going to give to your children, I only tried to give a better one. But I won't waste time proving the obvious, people were blessed with ears, it's like the empirical sciences never emerged - a God doesn't need to descend from heaven to tell that a song borrows heavily from another, we were provided with ears and a brain to think for ourselves. ALso, I looked wikipedia up and such information WAS posted about other artists too, such as Led Zeppelin. Double standards don't belong into encyclopedie's. Had I known about some other artist in the same way I would've posted it, but I happened to know about this one, and it's rather blatant. Anyhow, thank you for your constructive reply Karenjc. ~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamoffrozensky (talk • contribs) 17:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


This is the whole text I added, now with some references - be precise on what bothers you, and discuss it, nobody really uses the discussion feature do they? It makes this, making an encyclopedie pretty pointless.

"However, her songwriting is likely to be largely based on sampling of earlier songs in her own. Shakira’s compositions resemble many earlier songs uncannily. She doesn’t mention the songs she is Un Poco de Amlikely to have sampled in the writing credits of her albums, as is usually the habit in such cases; as to why this is so is unclear.

"Likely samples of other songs can be found as early as her breakthrough album Pies Descalzos(1996). The song ”Un Poco de Amor” resembles a song by Diego Torres from 1994, called ”Tratar de Estar Mejor”, and as the song progresses it becomes clear that the song shares several elements with Shakira’s song [1]. The song Vuelve contains a guitar riff very alike to Queen’s One Vision from 1985. The song ”Estoy Aqui” appears to sample ”I’ll Stand by You” by The Pretenders from 1994[2]. On the album ¿Dónde Están los Ladrones?(1998) the single ”Inevitable” seems to sample ”High and Dry” by Radiohead from 1995 [3]. ”Octavo Dia” on the other hand contains passages very resembland of Aerosmith’s ”Dream On” from 1973[4]. On the [[MTV unplugged](2000) the unplugged version of ”Estoy Aqui” has an outro(starts at about four minutes into the song) that is almost undistinguishable from the outro of Rod Steward’s Maggie May (also starting at about four minutes)from 1971.

"On Laundry Service (2001) the song ”Objection (Tango)” borrows a lot from ”El Matador” a song by ”Los Fabulosos Cadillacs” from 1993, the rhythm and instrumentation and the songs also share similarities on the bridge. The Objection(Afro-Punk Version) that was released a bit later on the album Laundry Service:Washed and Dried and was used in many live performances starts with a drum section very alike to the intro of ”El Matador”. The original version of Objection(Tango) is likely to sample the tango ”La Cumparsita” in it. The song ”Underneath Your Clothes” has often been considered to be based on Eternal Flame by The Bangles from 1989[5]. The intro of ”Whenever, Wherever” has an intro similar to a repeating theme on Pink Floyd’s live version of 1994 Earl Court London performance of Shine On Your Crazy Diamond(the similar theme appears a little before 4 minutes on the Earl Court Performance and continues for a while. Similarily the intro of ”The One” is very resemblant to the intro of The Beatles’s song Michelle from 1965. ”Ready For The Good Times” most likely samples ”Enjoy the Silence” by Depeche Mode 1990 which is visible at closer inspection of the composition of both songs. The bass line in the beginning of ”Que Me Quedes Tú” brings to mind U2’s New Year’s Day from 1983. The lyrics were probably inspired by A Love Before Time, which was a song nominated for an Oscar year 2000. Both lyrics contain scenes of the known world ending on verses and on choruses tell how a lasting love will lead through even such times, how in the end it alone saves a person. The influence seems to be stated by the Chinese type of a melody in the beginning of ”Que Me Quedes Tu” (Love Before Time was the theme song for the Chinese film Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon). The intro of ”Knock on my door”, a track released exclusively as a part of the Pepsi campaign seems to be almost straight from the intro of Rainbow’s cover of Since you been gone 1979.

"On Fijación Oral Vol. 1 (2005) ”La pared” contains similar parts as ”Clocks” by Coldplay from 2003. It is most evident at the chorus of ”La Pared” which contains a tune almost identical to the main melody of ”Clocks”, the strumming patterns is also very similar. The instruments used also share a similar mood. The song ”Escondite Ingles” resembles B52’s Rock Lobster 1978 remarkably at parts[6], the bridge of Objection(Tango) also has a similar progression to Rock Lobster. ”Las de La Intuicion” has much in common with Gigi D’Agostino’s L’amour Toujours from 2001[7]. On Oral Fixation Vol.2 the song ”Don’t Bother” seems to be a re-writing of The Cure’s ”Just Like Heaven” 1987. Even if the guitar solo wouldn’t be almost identical, Don’t Bother would seem very similar to Just Like Heaven. The song ”Timor” seems to base on the structure and melodies of different instruments and vocals of Blur’s Boys and Girls 1994. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamoffrozensky (talk • contribs) 11:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External link to ZotFish?

Hi, I was wondering if it would be appropriate for someone to add an external link to the ZotFish page for Shakira?. I believe it's of genuine interest to readers, but I want to make sure I follow Wikipedia policy and not post it myself -- more info on the site can be found at Mashable.

Zotman (talk) 03:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The site violates WP:ELNO and WP:NOT#REPOSITORY, and it does not enhance the article. It should not be added. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)