Talk:Shakespeare's influence

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[edit] Source Error

Source 31 no longer works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winkie (talk • contribs) 00:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge articles?

Should Shakespeare's influence and Shakespeare's influence on the English language be merged into Shakespeare's influence? I believe they should. At this point there isn't a need to have two separate articles on these subjects.--Alabamaboy 02:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

There is discussion on this subject already at the List of English words invented by Shakespeare AfD discussion and Shakespeare's influence on the English language pages. Andy Jones and I both think they should all be combined here. Wrad 02:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I'd leave the list of words as their own separate article, but definately combine Shakespeare's influence and Shakespeare's influence on the English language. But the list of words is too long--and too complete a unit as is--to combine into one article.--Alabamaboy 22:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
There is no list anymore. Take a look at the article and the discussion on the deletion page. Wrad 22:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
As mentioned by Wrad above, I've already indicated elsewhere that I agree with a merge. One advantage is that there's quite a bit of unsourced OR in Shakespeare's influence on the English language, and a merge would be an opportunity to trim some of that. AndyJones 12:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Ah, now I've said that, I see the page has been considerably cleaned up and sourced since I last looked at it. AndyJones 12:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Do we have a consensus? I appreciate only three users, all active members of the Shakespeare Wikiproject, have expressed a view. However in the complete absence of any dissenters I guess we can consider ourselves clear to go ahead. AndyJones 12:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Let's do it. I think we'll see better exactly what we're dealing with as we go along anyway. Wrad 16:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vocabulary

I added a cleanup box to the vocabulary section. The 2nd paragraph is just strange. It seems as though it's written by a college student who's writing beyond his or her level of understanding. I added a couple adjectives to rescue a sentence that claimed his language was more expressive because English at the time lacked grammar?! (True, Shakespeare didn't learn made-up grammar "rules" in school, but every language has grammar, structures that determine how words can be put together.) But more serious rewriting is needed. Craig Butz (talk) 06:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I have merged in "Shakespeare's influence on the English language". Was quite easy. Good.

That leaves "list of words...". My problem here is twofold:

  1. Lots of duplication with the newly merged article. Therefore a more careful line-by-line merge will be required.
  2. No inline citation at List..., so it's difficult to identify which parts are sourced from where. I'm really quite worried about merging for that reason: in the newly merged page it will be even more difficult to work out the source for any sentence. AndyJones 07:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vocabulary

The vocabulary section has an incorrect figure. Shakespeare used 20,138 "base" words, not 20,138 "new" words. His works are credited with the first known written instance of around 1,700 words. 71.242.202.239 (talk) 00:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)