Talk:Shaiba ibn Hashim

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[edit] Factual accuracy

This article seems to present the legends concerning Shaiba ibn Hashim as completely factually accurate. For example, though we know that Abreha (Abraha) died sometime in the 570s, there's no evidence he actually invaded Mecca; if he did, it's preposterous to assume that he was killed by being stoned by birds.

Yom 20:58, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Just a further note, but it appears Abreha actually died in the 550s and that Mecca was under Aksumite control before 570 (for Abraha's conquests, see Events in Arabia in the 6th Century A. D., by Sidney Smith, Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London © 1954. School of Oriental and African Studies) — ዮም | (Yom) | TalkcontribsEthiopia 01:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth Sunni Caliph

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Correct if I'm wrong, but isn't it widely known that Ali was the fourth caliph , not abdtul muttalib. I don't know where came from. Can someone source this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.93.92 (talk) 17:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)