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[edit] Young Zee

I've removed Young Zee, as he isn't signed to Shady Records - he's on Kon Artis and Kuniva's Runyan Ave. label. I also corrected a spelling mistake - it's Kon Artis, without the second "t". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.235.168 (talk • contribs)

Thank you, Ive heard that some rapper named Fizzy B is going to sign can you confirm that?

I'd have thought Eminem is more sensible than to sign someone with a name like that. *Wink*

[edit] Article

Does this really need an article of its own when it's an Aftermath imprint? All the labels under that umbrella are covered in the Aftermath article. Stoned Trey 03:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

yes it does becuase the aftermath wikipedia website has changed

Yes, it does, it is a notable imprint label owned by a notable artist. Also, Aftermath does not distribute for Shady, Interscope does. --- Realest4Life 17:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 50 Cent leaving

I heard that 50 cent left Shady records as quoted "This'll be the end of me and Shady Aftermath. I'm moving on to bigger and better things".

Good. We don't need him. --- Realest4Life 17:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Demo

I deleted the previous request for someone to listen to a random artist's demo. It's not a great idea for a talk page. It says that Bobby Creekwater's first single was "Bobby Creek", but I don't think that really be considered his first single, since it has yet to be formally released. - Shady Fan

[edit] Add http://www.forum.trshady.com to external links?

I received a message from an editor to discuss external link adding here first, so what do you think of the Shady Records community (http://www.forum.trshady.com) being added to this wiki page? I think readers of this article would benefit from knowing of a friendly and active community where they can discuss the record label and it's artists. Do visit the URL and hope to hear from an editor.

Here's a quote from Wiki help documents that I think the url follows: "They should be kept to a useful minimum, and provide relevant and non-trivial information that isn't present in the page. "

Thanks

[edit] Eminem has never released a solo studio album on Shady

Eminem has never released a solo studio album on Shady. He only releases studio albums on Aftermath/Interscope.

I thought the same. I don't feel that the Eminem Albums should be put down as Shady Records releases. Harish101 17:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
If he did release any, then people should stop changing the number from 2 to 4. He only has 2 Shady albums, because he formed Shady after The Marshall Mathers LP, so The Eminem Show and Encore. I know that Curtain Call was released on Aftermath/Interscope, and The Re-Up is a record label compilation album sort of. By the way, Harish101, please tell me if you are OK with the recent history paragraph. --- Realest4Life 17:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
We've discussed it, but so it don't look like I left ya hanging - it's cool. Yeah, I'm glad to see that his first 2 album drops are kept in check. People should AT LEAST understand that. By the way, a friend of mine explained that, like 50 Cent, the Shady Records logo is just on his CD as an imprint thing, but is not officially released off the record label. Just as how 50 has G-Unit's logo on his albums, but are not G-Unit releases as he's strictly a Shady/Aftermath artist. This might be the cause of the confusion for many. I don't know how to back that up with off the internet though. Also, I remember once that there was an interview (maybe on MTV) where he said he [50 Cent] was the only person signed to both labels (obviously before Stat Quo) so I guess this can suggest that Eminem's albums are not officially Shady Records releases. => Harish101 19:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Let's try to get a few more editors to agree with this and then maybe we can remove "Shady Records" from the distributors of Eminem's albums. --- Realest4Life 21:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
It is definitely not correct to remove Shady from any Eminem album after The Marshall Mathers LP. Any album he has released after The Marshall Mathers LP has been on Shady through a venture with Aftermath/Interscope. So it is correct to have it listed. As for 50 Cent not being released through G-Unit, that label was created through Interscope for the G-Unit members only by 50 Cent and Sha Money XL through Jimmy Iovine. If they add a member to the group, they are automatically signed to G-Unit/Interscope. 50 Cent had the label created solely for the group and its affiliates/members, not for him. He is already signed through Shady/Aftermath/Interscope and does not have his own “personal label” like Shady Records is to Eminem. It's difficult to explain but you should get the gist of what I am saying. Also if you look at Young Buck, or any G-Unit member/affiliate for that matter, he/they is/are signed through G-Unit/Interscope, like I mentioned before. Why is this, because he was signed to G-Unit which is distributed through Interscope, thus explaining why he is signed to both labels. If you sign to G-Unit, you sign to Interscope. That’s how it works and explains why he isn’t listed through Shady/Aftermath/Interscope/G-Unit. Also one more thing, if you look at the G-Unit Records page you will notice 50 Cent isn’t listed as a solo artist on the G-Unit label but listed within the group G-Unit, this further explains my argument. --Ayoleftyz 01:02, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
OK. --- Realest4Life 01:20, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I dunno, despite the extensive reasoning about Eminem I'd rather agree if I was given reasonable evidence like a reliable link that states so, or even an interview. With 50 Cent it would be simply incorrect to have him on the G-Unit page other than as an owner. As in, his albums aren't G-Unit albums as he's simply (and accepted as) a Shady/Aftermath artist which is why they're not shown on the G-Unit discography. He even stated in that interview with Eminem and Dr. Dre some years back (on MTV, I believe) that he was at the time the only Artist signed to both labels. => Harish101 00:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

(Unindent) Well, I don't really know that much about this, but let's see which labels are credited by Billboard, since they are a reputable source.

Now, I think "Web" is Web Entertainment, but I don't know about Curtain Call: The Hits being under Shady. There's one thing we all know for sure, he's signed to Aftermath/Interscope. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 01:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd also trust Billboard. I assume then that it means that the latter albums are just Shady affiliated, like 50 Cent having 'G-Unit' on his albums? That it's not a contractual signing to the label? => Harish - 02:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
No idea, but that is a possibility. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 02:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

So far it's only been one editor that officially disagrees. Should we act upon that, considering how long it has been? => Harish - 08:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I really don't know. What about Encore though? It says "Shady/Aftermath", what's up with that? --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 14:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I ain't got no clue either, bro. I've looked all over over the web, and whilst I can't find anything to clarify that, I can't find anything that specifically shows Eminem as being signed to his own label. No interview or anything. And as far as I'm concerned - the logo on the albums are not evidence of this, as 50 Cent has G-Unit on his albums and it's an established fact that he's not signed to it. I know that the user, Ayoleftyz, has previously explained this, but it's not particularly clear nor is it backed up in my opinion. I'm open to an easy-going debate on that though. => Harish - 17:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I'll talk to him and ask him to come here and explain why he thinks Eminem is signed to Shady. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 19:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Cool. => Harish - 20:39, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

So I was checking out AftermathMusic.com and I came across the releases page for Aftermath Ent., and then the 'other releases' page. It's worth noting that Eminem's albums aren't considered Shady releases by the standards of this website. Granted the site is not official, but it is well-recognised and (in my experience) the best source for Aftermath news and information. Feel free to disagree, but I think it's a valid point to add. Also, I note there's been no retort for about a week so I'm quickly getting the urge to edit Eminem's stance on being part of the roster until official sources can be provided to back it up. => Harish - 10:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but Aftermath Music (although I use it all the time) is just a fansite. I won't revert your edits if you change it. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 15:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Fair point, bro. It is true that it's just a fansite. I'll give it a further 2 days for someone to prove something. I would like to make the pre-emptive point that at the end of the day - Wikipedia does need factual sources to prove given facts, and despite how I may or may not feel about Eminem being signed to his own label, I have been involved and let this discussion been put out there for people to respond back too. Also, all the other artists of Shady Records have this sources, whilst there's yet to be shown proof of him being signed to Shady Records within the article. This could be shown to be inaccurate information. That's my piece said. => Harish - 22:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

I've removed all references of Eminem being signed to Shady Records. If you're unhappy with this, please find a reliable source or an Eminem interview that proves otherwise. I have a question about the changes I've made - Should I keep Eminem on the roster?... or should he be separated, but still referenced under 'Artists'? => Harish - 00:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, you should remove him, and try to add a description for him under the "producers" section, and one for the other producers as well, very short though, that way it would look OK, but a lot of people will probably try to re-add Eminem as an artist. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 01:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind, current version is OK. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 01:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Sweet. Now I'm just counting down the minutes 'til someone changes it all back again. => Harish - 01:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shady Records Logo

I once had a logo put up on this page a long time ago, but I think it was a couple of months ago when it was taken down due to fair use rationale or something. Anyway, now that I have time to work on it - I would like know what exactly I should write in order for it to be acceptable. If someone else that knows exactly what should be written feels like doing this, I can forward my fairly high quality image to the user for them to upload. Personally, I'm too lazy to read like 4 articles on how to put up an image legitimately. Just trying to make the page look more nicer, figure it'd be good for the online encyclopaedia viewers of the future. => Harish101 20:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Use this. It seems to have a good fair use rationale. Just copy most of the info to your image. --- Realest4Life 20:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks bro! I'll add it now => Harish101 00:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem. --- Who's the one you call Mr. Macho? The head honcho, swift fist like Camacho 01:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Artists section

I dunno who changed it, but I don't like it. Not just stating it as an opinion, but it's not very well done. Joint artists under DJ's, whilst the rest are above? Isn't it better to simply keep them with the other artists? Furthermore, why were the notes removed? If an edit isn't an informative edit (e.g. referencing), but rather a change of the layout then such changes should be discussed here first, and off that basis I shall revert the changes. Please discuss if you dispute this, and an agreement shall be made. -- Harish - 04:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discography idea

What does everyone think of the following idea for change:

Artist Album Release Date Chart positions RIAA certification Singles
D12 Devil's Night 19/Jun/2001 #1 U.S. 1x platinum
Soundtrack 8 Mile 29/Oct/2002 #1 U.S.[1] 4x platinum
50 Cent Get Rich or Die Tryin'

(released w/ Aftermath Ent.)

 06/Feb/2003 #1 U.S.[2] 6x platinum
Obie Trice Cheers 23/Sep/2003 #5 U.S.[3] 1x platinum
D12 D12 World 27/Apr/2004 #1 U.S. 2x platinum
etc

Only issues are that the date needs to be shown in the format seen, (taken from a list, with this one looking the most presentable (see Help:Sorting#Dates for more) in my opinion). Furthermore, I had to change 'Platinum' to '1x platinum' in order for it to show in a sortable manner. Feel free to give thoughts so that changes may or may or not be made. -- Harish - 17:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh yeah, thought I'd add benefits as I see them; Easier to search by artist, album title, chart position or RIAA certification (should the want be there), and allowing to put it back into order by release date. Also, it appears to take less space (width) whilst the height of each row is about the same. Clearly the singles wouldn't need the option of sorting too. -- Harish - 17:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it looks better than the way it is now, and it looks to take up less room, and be more organized. I'm all for it. (Oh, and you were right about the artists section too.) --JpGrB 18:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
It does seem better than the current design. So unless anyone can come up with a better design, I say go ahead! Spellcast (talk) 02:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Appreciate the thoughts. Another week or one more favourable thought (whichever comes first) and I'll do it. -- Harish - 04:30, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 1st revision

Artist Album Release date Chart # (U.S.) RIAA certification Singles
D12 Devil's Night 19/Jun/2001 1[4] 1x platinum
Soundtrack 8 Mile 29/Oct/2002 1[5] 4x platinum
50 Cent Get Rich or Die Tryin'
(released w/ Aftermath Ent.)		 06/Feb/2003 1[6] 6x platinum
Obie Trice Cheers 23/Sep/2003 5[7] 1x platinum
D12 D12 World 27/Apr/2004 1[8] 2x platinum
50 Cent The Massacre
(released w/ Aftermath Ent.)		 03/Mar/2005 1[9] 5x platinum
Obie Trice Second Round's on Me 15/Aug/2006 8[10] Gold
Shady Records Eminem Presents the Re-Up 05/Dec/2006 2[11] 1x platinum
Cashis The County Hound EP 22/May/2007 106[12] -
  • "Lac Motion"
50 Cent Curtis
(released w/ Aftermath Ent.)		 11/Sep/2007 2[13] 1x platinum

Still happy with it, guys? I had to change the chart positions column due to Cashis' chart position messing up the 'sortable' change. If you don't like the table showing just the U.S. charting positions, I can make it so the column splits into two - one being U.S., and another being Worldwide. Just some thoughts, but we don't seem to have any non-U.S. chart positions anyway. I also removed Pimp Like Me as a Devil's Night single as I had found no other article to back this up. One other thought, if people aren't happy, I could just make some more columns unsortable, like the Singles column, so that it can be put the way it was it the first example table... -- Harish - 17:24, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd revision

Artist Album Release date Chart positions RIAA certification Singles
D12 Devil's Night 19/Jun/2001 #1 U.S.[14] Platinum
Soundtrack 8 Mile 29/Oct/2002 #1 U.S.[15] 4x platinum
50 Cent Get Rich or Die Tryin'
(released w/ Aftermath Ent.)		 06/Feb/2003 #1 U.S.[16] 6x platinum
Obie Trice Cheers 23/Sep/2003 #5 U.S.[17] Platinum
D12 D12 World 27/Apr/2004 #1 U.S.[18] 2x platinum
50 Cent The Massacre
(released w/ Aftermath Ent.)		 03/Mar/2005 #1 U.S.[19] 5x platinum
Obie Trice Second Round's on Me 15/Aug/2006 #8 U.S.[20] Gold
Shady Records Eminem Presents the Re-Up 05/Dec/2006 #2 U.S.[21] Platinum
Cashis The County Hound EP 22/May/2007 #106 U.S.[22] -
  • "Lac Motion"
50 Cent Curtis
(released w/ Aftermath Ent.)		 11/Sep/2007 #2 U.S.[23] Platinum

My final thought on how it would be best to present in the article. Removed the sortable feature in 'Chart position' and RIAA certification', seemed to make the info display not so well. I'll probably go with this one if there's nothing against it. -- Harish - 03:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Room to mention potential artists?

In the wake of the Joe Budden situation, I was wondering if it's worth mentioning in the article, or giving it its own sub-heading, a section about artists that have been courted, with notable known rappers such as:

*Note, though it's been considered rumour, he has not said that Shady records have not courted him.

That's all I could find for now. Relay your thoughts. Just thought I'd throw it out their so this article can offer more. -- Harish - 04:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 'DJs and producers' section

I was thinking to change it to this, but wasn't sure if it needed referencing for every name, etc.

===DJs and producers===
This is a list of signed and/or frequent Shady Records collaborators that have worked together with the label on many notable projects.
*Bass Brothers
*Dr. Dre
*Eminem[24]
*Luis Resto[25]
*Mr. Porter
*Mike Elizondo

Only found references for two (which suggest the two to be actually working for the label). Thoughts? -- Harish - 15:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Eminem under Artists

That makes no sense at all, you see 50 Cent is the founder of G-Unit Records but he isn’t listed under artists. —Bruce Wayne of the Rap Game (talk) 21:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

50 isn't signed to G-Unit Records as a solo artist. He's signed as part of the group. But I don't really get how Eminem isn't signed to Shady Records at all. Spellcast (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, if I'm not mistaken, on a technicality, he is like 50 with G-Unit, he's signed as a member of a group. In Em's case, D12. Also if I'm not mistaken, he's signed as a producer. But I honestly don't understand why he is there looking like a solo artists when he isn't. I understand he is very influential, but that is because he is the owner/operator. --JpGrB 22:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah that’s right, but he is not signed to this label as a solo-artist so I think it should be removed. —Bruce Wayne of the Rap Game (talk) 22:35, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
50's albums say "© Shady/Aftermath/Interscope Records" on the CDs, meaning it was only released through those labels. Even though it has the G-Unit Records logo, it's only for promotion. The Shady Records logo on Eminem's albums could also be promotional. A CD scan of The Eminem Show (link), Encore (link), and Curtain Call: The Hits (link) only credit Aftermath. That suggests Eminem isn't signed to Shady Records as a solo artist or released solo studio albums under it. So would everyone agree to removing Eminem under the "Artists" section? Spellcast (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I can agree with that. --JpGrB 23:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I removed it. I also put a hidden message as I think people will mistakenly think he's signed to the label. Spellcast (talk) 23:41, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
My impression is that even though he's not signed to the label, he's still important to the label. I can see what you mean though. I thought about it, and do have some suggestiions; a) we make a section for the label founders, b) we leave him as a producer and perhaps make that more informative as a section, or c) we vote on it to see if he should be on the page, if that's an okay middle ground? Also, I feel it should be noted that not many (if any) labels are FA, so there's no set standard for style, so any of this could work, just as how the discography is different from many record labels, yet it still works (particularly in comparison to the old version). Just my thoughts. -- Harish - 23:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, he is important as I noted earlier, because he's the owner/operator/founder. I believe some of his information could be moved to a producers section? (But only if we can get more information on the other producers.) If that sounds acceptable? --JpGrB 23:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Never mind, it's done. At least that's one less thing to think about with this article.-- Harish - 00:36, 21 February 2008 (UTC)