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NB Shabdrung / Zhabdrung [zhabs drung] is a Tibetan title used for great lamas. It means "in front of"/ "in the presence of"/ "at the feet of"; cf http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/zhabs_drung

This title was, and still is used, to refer to many other lamas in Tibet besides Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal and his incarnations. e.g. Shabdrung Ngawang Trakpa (zhabs drung ngag dbang grags pa),Tongkhor Shabdrung (stong 'khor zhabs drung), Shabdrung Migyur Dorje (zhabs drung mi 'gyur rdo rje), Dokhar Shabdrung (mdo mkhar zhabs drung), Palde Shabdrung (dpal sde zhabs drung), Tseten Shabdrung, and many others.

This article currently seems to assume that "Shabdrung" specifically refers to Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal and his incanation lineage - this is not at all the case.

Chris Fynn (talk) 13:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

This article Shabdrung should be merged with Ngawang Namgyal and would be better titled Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal.

Chris Fynn (talk) 04:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it would be better if both were consolidated under "Shabdrung (Bhutan)." There were many Shabdrungs of Bhutan after Ngawang Namgyal, and the article it about the institution, not just the founder. Sylvain1972 (talk) 15:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
If this Shabdrung is the one most commonly known by that title in English, and if there is no other title used by the various Shabdrungs which we can use as an alternative, then I don't see a problem with keeping this article at this title, and providing a disambiguation link to Shabdrung (disambiguation).—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 21:15, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Chris Fynn that this Shabdrung page/entry should be merged with the Ngawang Namgyal entry. Above explanation for not doing so is unneccessarily complicated. As it stands, it's a bit like having one entry for a particular Lama under the heading 'Rinpoche' and then another under the Lama's actual name. Conceptually it doesn't make sense and it's not user-friendly at all! Secondly there have not been any updates on the web as to the young tulku's whereabouts, post 2005. Seems like the trail has gone cold. Are he & his family still under house arrest? The original online news report on the Buddhist news channel (link on main page) has never been followed up with fresh info, only commentary & comments on various other sites. Please, in the interest of human rights and a free press, could those with credible information update the Shabdrung wikipedia page, or at least post or link here on the discussion page as to what you think may have happened to the Shabdrung Ngawang Namgyal tulku in the past two years. Thankyou.~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.8.229 (talk) 07:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)