Talk:Shōrin-ryū Shidōkan

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[edit] About Shido-kan style

Something major that is missing from the Shido-kan article is what the style is like. Things like kata, kumite, and sparring should be written in a new section. Also, conditioning (Hojo undo) should be mentioned and probably created as a new article as well. In the basement of Iha's dojo, he has several makiwara, iron clogs, gripping jars, weighted levers, weights, punching bags, spring poles, and a tree-like striking pole (not sure what the name of this is). (The pictures are from the Fair Lawn Shido-kan dojo - not Iha's in Michigan.) Keep in mind that a lot of what you will find on the web (in English) is unique to Iha's style, and may not be generalizable to all of Shido-kan. --Scott Alter 06:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The basement is very cool. Wish I had my house basement like that. Tkjazzer 07:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

it would be very cool to have a youtube clip embedded of all of the basic techniques. But that might be a little much. Tkjazzer 01:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

If you can find a video that is not copyright, go ahead and put up. Otherwise, you're on your own to make one :) --Scott Alter 02:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kata

Shido-kan Argentina contains all Shido-kan kata with a brief description on bottom of page. --Scott Alter 05:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] should I link this in

Naihanchi should we link this in the kata of similar name? Tkjazzer 04:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Naihanchi is the same thing - it refers to all of the Naihanchin kata. There are articles for basically every kata. The only problem is that they are mostly written to the Shotokan versions. I recently modified the Gojushiho article to be slightly more representative of all karate, but all of them should be made more neutral. (And I don't like how all of these articles have a link to Shotokan in the "See also" section and are in the Shotokan category.) Anyway, the kata in Shorin-ryu Shido-kan should be linked to the articles and the kata articles should be made less-biased. But you might have to restructure the kata list, since the articles are about the kata series and not individual kata (ie the Naihanchi article refers to Naihanchin Ichidan, Nidan, and Sandan). Maybe keep the list as-is, but only link the first mention of each kata? I'll make these links and you can change them if you can come up with something better. --Scott Alter 05:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

See [1] for a description of the Shido-kan kata. Teisho was created by Miyahira is unique to Shido-kan (as far as I know). There is no article on it yet. --Scott Alter 05:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Level of detail

Some of this article is getting WAY to detailed, there is no need to list every kata taught any where, a brief description of the style of fighting and significant requirements for grades is enough, the spread section needs to be summarized, i.e when did it arrive in an areas (Europe, middle east, n. America etc.) the dojo & coach in each country under is own heading is too much for an encyclopaedia article. --Nate 08:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Kata has been moved to Karate kata, where kata from several karate styles is listed. I will reduce the headings under Spread - it kept expanding and I agree is now too long. Any suggestions whether to a) make it just a few paragraphs, but keep in chronological order or b) create new sub-headings of Spread for each continent and group the countries into paragraphs (no longer strictly chronological) or c) something else. --Scott Alter 23:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I like it long. The best articles on wikipedia are the long ones. 207.151.243.101 23:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Length and detail are two different things. This article is getting long with few details (from my 1 sentence sections). I will not remove any important content, rather condense it. The kata could be moved back in, but I'll leave it out for now. The article is also missing many important sections about how the style is practiced. --Scott Alter 00:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd suggest writing it a as narrative prose, keeps the information but makes it easier to follow. That's why I didn't attempt it, I don't know the back ground well enough to turn what is essentially a bulletted lists into something useful. It's also worth remembering that as an encyclopaedia is an isn't meant to be a definitive guide just an introduction & overview. p.s. on the BJJ article I did something similar for an art I know more about it after copy editing it's been quiet stable (ignoring an edit war), that may give you some ideas. --Nate 08:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)


I think the kata is useful to have since some kata is not practiced by all styles. Also, there are some aspects of this article with the detailed spread to various countries that is superior to the BJJ article. I would recommend keeping the spread section detailed. 66.215.4.48 08:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] copied from user page talk

[edit] A few questions that, when answered, may help to improve your Shidokan article

"How is Shidokan different from other schools of karate? Does it have a signature stance or technique? Does it have any unique kata? Does it lack any traditional techniques or kata? Does it have a particular emphasis in punches, kicks, grappling, footwork, blocks, or any other area of martial arts? Does it have any unusual training or conditioning techniques? Are its philosophical underpinnings at all unusual? Why did its founder choose to differentiate it from Kobayashi Shorin-ryū?

Answering any or all of those questions will drastically improve your article. -Toptomcat 13:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)" --- Tkjazzer 21:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what is Tanden?

I was reading an article about this style and it said, "Kata, along with a strong tanden and the makiwara, forms the heart of the most basic and advanced lessons in Iha Sensei's karate." This is from Sensei Mark of Holt. I looked up Tanden on wikipedia but it redirects somewhere else. Thanks! Tkjazzer 22:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Tanden is the correct article. Tanden actually covers a broad range of topics, but generally refers to one's internal energy relating to meditation and state of mind. It also refers to one's center of gravity - the source of Qi. --Scott Alter 22:20, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] shibu dojo?

I don't think the sentence about the 8th Dan's virginia dojo flows well (EDIT: was a vandal entry - nvrmnd). Maybe we should have a separate section for major Shibu dojos in the United states. The rest of the U.S. subsection is only about Iha Sense - it doesn't flow well in to the next line. Tkjazzer (talk) 00:06, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see that the person is not even on the shibu list; thank you for watching the article so carefully and correcting this. However, the idea may still be valid to have a subsection listing major shibu dojos in the united states. thoughts? Tkjazzer (talk) 00:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't think major dojo should be listed in the article. How would you define a "major" dojo? There are too many shibu dojo to list them all, and this would make the page more of a list than an encyclopedic article. If anything could be mentioned, maybe the states in the US that have dojo. --Scott Alter 03:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)