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[edit] Seymour Duncan SH-5 merged here

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seymour Duncan SH-5. Johnleemk | Talk 08:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC) It's a shame we couldn't have an entire article about the Duncan Custom. It's a ceramic-magnet humbucker that might just be the best all-around metal pickup out there. I have one in the bridge of my Jackson Dinky Reverse, and I love it.

[edit] Not totally true

This article needs some editing, as some of the information isn't totally true. I will put the items in contention below. (If Wiki is to be a credible source of information, the writer of the page must remain unbiased and stick to the facts alone).

  • The JB is named after "jazz blues", not necessarily Jeff Beck. Usually this occurs, it is speculated by those in the forum, because the artist stopped short of endorsing their name on the pickup (unlike the Dimebucker). You can also see this in the '78 pickup, or "evenly voiced harmonics", which is not named after Eddie Van Halen. You can read a direct quote on the Seymour Duncan website Seymour Duncan's Questions and Answers 2. Also there are several unaffiliated pages, among these The Jeff Beck Bulletin Issue #4
  • "All of the humbuckers are magnetic as opposed to EMG pickups which are often active." That's not totally truthful. First, Seymour Duncan has offered active pickups for a while, just that they are not as popular or well known, I guess. Second, the way this sentence is phrased leads the reader to think that EMG active pickups do not have magnets, which is not correct.
  • A wise choice would be to instead of making product descriptions, either quote their website (with permission), or offer it as an external link.
  • (SH-1 '59) "The pickup looks like a '59 pickup with no logo and mostly used, a zebra finish." This is not accurate at all: they come in a variety of color schemes. My Fender Showmaster has a '59 in the neck position and it's solid black. "Effectively always used in the neck position" is conjecture as well: there are guitars with the '59 in both positions, and Seymour Duncan makes a set called the Vintage Blues set that is two '59 pickups: one for the bridge and one for the neck. Also, the Pearly Gates Plus pickup that Fender sells (but Seymour Duncan makes) is extremely close to the '59 and is used in the bridge of the Fender Showmaster line of guitars (made in Korea, 2004-2005 manufactured).
  • "The target group is especially blues, jazz, country or classic rock since the output is moderate and it does not sound too good with high-gain tube amps." This is not totally accurate: the pickup is not wax potted, which can lead to microphonic feedback, which is the reason (per their website) that they do not recommend it for high gain situations.
  • (Pearly Gates) "Modeled after the pickups in Billy Gibbons' (ZZ Top) '59 Les Paul that Billy named Pearly Gates" Not necessarily: proof of this would be needed, as this could be deemed slander (i.e. "did Seymour Duncan make it or did Billy Gibbons?!"). Heart's guitarist used a Pearly Gates in the bridge of his guitar for a long while, so again, clarification would be required.
  • (SH-2N Jazz) "The pickup is meant to be in the neck position (see the N letter in the name)" This is not totally correct, because it leads the reader to assume that there are only Jazz neck models. You should explain that the "n" on the end of the model number means "neck" and the "b" on the end means bridge. Jazz Bridge pickups can be bought.
  • (SH-5 Custom) "is made for playing with dropped tunings without sounding muddy." This is not phrased properly and leads the reader to assume that the pickup was made solely for drop tunings. This is not correct, according to Seymour Duncan's website.
  • There are pickups that are listed on here that have no description. Maybe they should not be mentioned, or (again) you should get permission to quote them.
  • Maybe instead of describing their products, you should give only history of the company / the person and such. As for their product descriptions being available online, maybe you should just copy the descriptions. These are products owned by a company, and so you should probably get permission. I have some of their products and such on my own personal website (www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb) and I got permission first (because I asked them if I needed it, and they said yes, I need their permission first).

[edit] Surely this is pure advertising

I mean it's a fine company and the products are truly good, but what if MacDonalds gave a list of their different hamburgers here. Or am I just being small-minded about this? Johnmuir 23:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I'm deleting it

Boadrummer —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.97.83 (talk) 03:03, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revisions

I've removed the information about the pedals and the pickups as it was just blatant advertising. I will be putting some back, but in a better style. Something more similar to the EMG, Inc. article, where it does not read like it has been lifted from the manufacturers website. As it was, the article was too far over the WP:ADVERT line., and whereas the company, services and some of the users are noteable, the many permutations on the same basic pickup are not noteable for a paragraph about each of them.

To me, the pedal section was blatant advertising for a new product, and the line

"Did you know that Seymour Duncan makes FX pedals? They do"

really was a few steps too far. TorstenGuise (talk) 14:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Look at the EMG site. It lists all their pickups and all their users. By deleting 90% of the Seymour Duncan site and not doing the same to their competitor, you put Seymour Duncan at a disadvantage which is just as offensive as blatant advertising. Maybe more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.72.79.32 (talk) 00:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, It's gone. the EMG site has changed considerably since I was last there. TorstenGuise (talk) 15:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)