Talk:Seychelles community in EU
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[edit] Wikipedia Guidelines problems
This article does not cite any sources and seems to contain mainly original research. You must quote sources and these sources must be reliable and verifiable. An article should also have a neutral point of view. --RajivShah 07:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
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We have noted the comment. The approach we are using is to get the article written. Fully expecting members of the Seychelles community or those knowledgeable in our affairs either to comment, make recommandation or help edit. Please not we have spent only two days with this project, there is a very great deal to be done yet. Should you know members of the Seychelles community in EU please point them to this project.
Grandlarousse 19:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Getting people from the community is one thing but they cannot write an article based on their own knowledge, that would amount to original research. You must quote sources (self published sources are excluded). --RajivShah 12:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] European origine issues
We have hope a member of our community , in EU, Canada, Australia or South Africa may have just come back and help with this article. What we need to state here is the ancestral of those who left France to go and settle/forced, banned, exile in the Indian Ocean, Mauritius, Reunion, Seychelles, Madagascar. Inspite of the Portuguese, the Dutch and British important discovery - the French started those settlement/colonies along with all their early history from stone age and cave man, medieval history.Those who are the 5th/6th generation - heritage. Grandlarousse 13:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
We have spent some time reading other project on wikipedia, the issues of modern media influance on facts and popularity, the trend. There is the need to emphasize, though we are known and called seychellois after , the sechelles, Seychelles etc. Our European ancestors before they left/fled France 300 - 500 years ago were mostly French, British other European. We would like to add a very brief paragraph to denote, underline that they in turn, their ancestors - origine goes back some 45,000 - 50,000 years ago. Based on discovery, caves and objects, remains. Because as it is, the article European Origine does not underline - say this. ( Over the past 30 years our commnity have been back in Europe there have been a number of "ancient discoveries" linked - "associated", "made possible" because of our European ancestral origine. This is a further reason to write an adequate paragraph on European Origine. Grandlarousse 15:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
We have read the notice about the Template and have emailed wikipedia, explanation copy to members of our community and official in the EU.
Those who are putting preassure that this project be deleted their agenda. PLease refer to the situation in the Indian Ocean, the explanation we have given why that mega Earthquake and Tsunami came killed 500,000 those who purport they have, know and controll the truth when in fact it is mass and nation manipulation. The speed with which the world is fast degrading.
We request and seek greater support in monitoring our project from such individuals who have made us suffer in the past. Those who want to take over our nation and speak on our behalf.
Polite notice: We have informed the EU institutions, Parliament and Commission, the Judiciary, the UN institutions given the methodology we have used to put that Portal for the Community together, the massive positive bebefits it has brought to millions of its citizens and economy. It is almost one year since we put it on the WWW, the region of the Indian Ocean, India, Pakistan. Gulf region, African Union nobody have said thank you or appreciated. With out this portal project the fleet of NATO vessel which visited Seychelles 17/09/07 - 19/09/07 would not have taken place. (Obviously for the vast majority it is some kind of joke.) Grandlarousse 07:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
We have tried to upload a flag of EU and a map of EU to our wikipedia site the effect is not very good and the complexities of rights at wikipedia do not make things easy Grandlarousse —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 18:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The world must think we are complete bat, spending 4/5 hrs just to try and edit a picture and have it rejected. Meanwhile all those who benefit - wikipedia do something like some of the forum at least give us $.10 cent for each article we write saved it will make $1. and buy a lof of bread - that way we do not get laugh at. This is not free it is about others abusing others time and kindness. We have ask for help at the how do you add liscence and no reply. Grandlarousse 20:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you wikipedia member Ms2ger, Ssolbergj for you time and assistance to help edit and upload the flag of EU on "Seychelles Community in EU project" It is neat and tidy. We do trust other visitors will read we have said "thank you for the assistance" To try and get further help we have contacted the "Pied Noire Project" on wikipedia and left a thread and link to our project. Thank you. Grandlarousse 18:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
After three very fustrating weeks learning how to set up pictures at wikipedia - the many request for help, the user who set up the first picture, Flag of EU. We have set up four pictures and the map of EU. You can help us make improvement - thank you once again. Grandlarousse 10:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
We are doing this editing from the "fire station Islington" Link to French coat of arms http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_France Grandlarousse 194.82.255.98 12:20, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia, Seychelles Community in EU
On behalf of the Community we have started this page. Please read the comment of the Wikipedia, about source, etc.
Very seldom in the history of our community in EU over the past 30 years have we had the opportunity, given the opportunity to take the time to express, explain to the greater world who we are, where we originate, ancestral heritage, history, religion – belief, culture, the politic of the Seychelles community we have been making and leading over the past 30 years in EU, our relation with the institutions, the media, integration issues, competing for our slot in the EU mechanism, very many issues we have not been able to address the greater public. Our community have not had the diplomatic clout, certain policing authority pressure. The more important EU media i.e TV or Written refusal to give us a voice or write any meaningful article about our community and needs. We have been denied resource, funds and means. For once we have available this very unique opportunity.
We have informed the community via AKS Forum of the existence of this Seychelles Community in EU – Wikipedia. The reason we wrote just a very brief article was to judge the reaction. Over the past because we have been constantly boardered in the ability to address, communicate very vital issues pertaining our community had to be limited. There is the need to rewrite this article.
For this purpose we have studied the work of a couple of communities, one of them being the Armenian community in EU, given that we have done substantial work with them over the past 30 years – net working.
We can use this unique possibility to address the many EU and International institutions who have thus far eyed us with in bemuse manner, willingly taking all the benefits from the many very important work, involvements and contributions our Seychelles EU community have made thus far; At the same time ignoring our very existence. For those needing inspiration visit the community Portal and research for information. We are a very uniuqe Community in EU and the world given our important engagements, historic contributions which we ought to be proud of, promote as every nation and community deserve.
Two institutions which have caused concern to our work in EU and progress, namely the USA Service CIA and their British Counterpart, also aspect of old Colonial establishment. These institutions have known and know the importance of a well structured and organize community of the Seychelles community in EU will inevitably influence their work in EU, the Indian Ocean – how their media present some of the more sensitive issues of Seychelles past, present and future issues.
We can address in depth the issues of the failed – sabotage SIROP exile programm.
Over the past 30 years our community have been unique in setting example on how ethnic communities can net work and share many common values. Including the African- AU, Magrebian communities and Pied-noir communities. They have always ask of us why we have been reserved in expressing the feeling of our Community – here we can rise and meet their concern.
On account of our very important European ancestral origin, we have some great intellectual capabilities who can contribute to make this Wikipedia project very unique. It is also befitting that with the very many articles on very many forums about concern for Seychelles with the very important investment and those who will be coming to settle, or work in Seychelles. This Wikipedia page will lend very importantly beyond the dream and current imagination of very many to giving the Seychelles Community in EU, the Seychelles Community across the world and most important Seychelles a place and platform to let the world know our brain have not been over baked by the tropical sun.
Most important we are creating something for future generation, those that have been misinformed, misguided.
Once again welcome on behalf of the Seychelles Community in EU
90.240.21.48 21:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
You seem to be treating Wikipedia as a platform to express yourself. Please read What Wikipedia is not. --RajivShah 07:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] wikipedia sub topics
Further to the above thread we are proposing the following sub topic:
European Origins
Exodus – political & religious persecution, exile from Europe, the French Revolution [1300 - ]
Indian Ocean early discovery, European political and economic rivalry
Important colonial archaic history, nobility – royal heritage
Religion, economy, culture and language - colonial oppression
Super Power involvement & challenges - USA, USSR, China, France, Britain
Independence, political system and democracy 1962 - 1976
Historic coup d'etat, One party state era 1977 onward
None Aligned nation and Asean nations involvement
Historic exodus to Europe, suffering, oppression and diaspora
The role of OAU, League of Arab Nations, India and Pakistan
United Nation involvement - engagement
Formation of community in Europe & governments in exile, attempted coup d'etat
International Syndicate, Cartel other Important Net work involvement
Important influentials role of EU in affecting political changes, support of democracy
Community Important international scientific involvement
Struggle, historic exile /refugee return program 1986/87 - COMECON, Warsaw Pact collasp, Changes in South Africa.
The BIOT, Diego Garcia nightmare for our community, repercussion, political fallout
Birth of Seychelles 3rd Republic, constitution & democracy 1991
Seychelles Community situation in EU today – integration politic, EU institutions
Seychelles government diplomatic and economic representation in EU
The Francophone
The Commonwealth
Creation of African Union & Seychelles EU Community contribution
The Indian Ocean, regional nations, organizations & institutions
Seychelles Communities in: USA Australia Canada South Africa
Seychelles community International and EU Net work
We will be including maps, pictures and documents Grandlarousse 16:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright violations
I am addressing whichever editor added all the cut and pasted material.
I removed those that were copyright violations. You can use copyrighted material as a source, of course, but you may not cut and paste it directly in the article. Not, incidentally, the http://www.telusplanet.net/public/dgarneau/euro56.htm page, since it's plainly a heavily POV source and not entirely reliable. But to cut and paste anything written by anyone else without an explicit free license is both against Wikipedia policy and illegal. Don't do it.
Please do not cut and paste text from other Wikipedia articles; it's a needless duplication. Where other Wikipedia material is relevant, you should write a short summary and then link to the main article at the beginning of the section. We have a template {{main article}} for that very purpose.
Even when you find PD material out on the web it's a bad idea to cut and paste it in because we have no way to evaluate the source. The material you pasted in from http://www.mongabay.com/reference/country_studies/seychelles/HISTORY.html is PD, ultimately sourced from the US Army; as is that from http://countrystudies.us/seychelles/ which was from a publication of the US Library of Congress. But especially since you didn't cite your sources, there's no way of evaluating them, and the text will naturally lack focus on the subject at hand. It's better to cite them as sources and write your own text tailored to the exact needs of the subject matter. TCC (talk) (contribs) 01:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Incidentally: Grandlarousse -- you shouldn't be pasting in text from your blog either. Wikipedia is not a platform for you to express your own views. TCC (talk) (contribs) 02:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Debacle, support
We started the wikipedia project for our community to address the lack of awareness, understanding for such a project. This goes to the EU Institutions and UN Institution, purporting to defend the cause of minority community around the world and EU.
We have gone to very great length on AKS , Seychelles EU community, Australian Seychelles forum to address the necessity to get any donation, financial support for the Community Portal project – the fact, in spite the gravity of the situation, unable to continue hosting the portal, it is going to create enormous problems and meltdown in other instances. Not to exclude the fact that it took two years, a very great deal of lobbying, advocating , research and time to put the project together.
This situation also show the world what kind of community spirit, solidarity, Christian and moral values the Seychelles communities around the world possess, be they in Britain, Australia, Canada, South Africa, the USA, EU and Seychelles.
We address the high institutions - at the time of the debacle of independence, the only issue which mobilized the Seychellois of French and other European decent was Communism, they would loose their properties, what generations have worked for, the fear of imprisonment and killed like in other parts of the world. This fear was not enough and FA Rene, the SPPF knew this, they also knew at the end of the day that USA, Britain and France would not intervened. The coup d'etat came and history.
Even in exile, we have tried to explained the larger world, that there were some 10 or 11 attempted coup d'etat,they were the work of very dedicated individuals. In instance they gave their lives, threw all their money and fortune in these projects – because of this situation, which FA Rene and the SPPF knew very well, the Leader of SIROP had to rely on countless other networks involving other communities, their resources, abilities and diplomatic connection to propell the exile return program of 1987.
There is the need to explain, those important forces involved in armed conflicts in various parts of the world who came to our support, those that were killed, sacrifices, very important loss of property and great pain. Very many Seychellois knew what was going on, linked, associated with their cause – they adopted the very same hypocritical stand, let other be killed and very great many thousands; they rip and benefit of their death and sacrifices. These people they have families, children, wives who carry the pain and have to live with their horror. Because we have been endevouring to integrate our community in EU – the practice in EU, the Irish, Greeks, Turks, Armenians, the Pied Noirs, the Harkis other Balkan communities. The communities would have put in place measures which would compell everybody to value the price of sacrifices, death, blood and family suffering. They would have insisted that they all make their due contributions and donation.
In Seychelles, Mauritius, Commor, Reunion, Madagascar and African Union the very important benefit, stability in economic, social progress they have experienced since we began to put that portal project together – translated into Billions of dollars – yet nobody have donated a cent towards this project , even in the face of our inability to continue to host it. They just do not care – like everybody they wait for others to work, slog away, invest and they rip the benefit, the reward and success. This is why corruption is killing African Union in spite of the $800 billions debt write off and engulfing the Indian Ocean government.
We have underline at very great length the importance portal project have brought to the many leading institutions of the EU, Economy, social progress, enlargement – to certain extent war and peace in the world. Those in high office, the greater public, the media who have chosen to ignore – the same attitude. Let others work, invest , suffer and sacrifice we wait and rip the benefit and reward – the very reason crime is so high across EU and the vast corruption going on in EU.
We go back in history, the Royal Houses, the European nobility and aristocracy role in the society and the world affairs then, supported by the Fraternal – Templar or Masonic Establishment. They all have the ability to measure, evaluate the very important contribution that portal project have brought to them the past 7 years from its conception. They also choose to let other work, slog away, invest and benefit of their work.
The world have evolved, there is an over flow of information – those that are deceiving the world about "so call climate change” when really it is the massive abuse of fellow humans and those weaker, less able to defend themselves. In return the powers which have always existed counter reacts and the very many terrible unnatural environmental phenomena plaguing the world. Those that want to dominate the world, dominate those less able – We want to remind the world some of the greatest changes in mankind history have taken place in the land of what is called France today and we are the great grand children of that nation and its people.
Finally, this is wikipedia, we have 25 years experience of voluntary, networking for the common cause of those less able and needy. We have abundantly made it clear the unique contributions,role our community played to change the COMECON, communist system in the Indian Ocean and Africa, the changed in USSR. This is an occasion for the world to judge the values of the West – so called highly developed democratic society and Communism. We ask all those who will read this discussion thread to remember well what this represent. Grandlarousse 20:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
