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[edit] Discussion

Is carries full name 'carrigan'?, she dates a guy in series 3 who i am sure he calls her carrigan!

Doesn't the episode guide belong in a different article? This is awfully long. The Colbert Report has an episode-guide article and it works nicely. Waltersobchak 07:04, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

The following text removed, because it's about the 4th series, but presented in the article as if it's the original setup of the show: "who suddenly discovers her wild side after a divorce" "a girl who has discovered motherhood after living a virtually responsibility-free lifestyle" -- Tarquin

The bit about Samantha's illness doesn't belong because:

a. It sticks out like a sore thumb in a paragraph that merely establishes the characters,
b. It's a plot detail in an article in which very little specific plot details are given
c. It's a spoiler

Any reason why it should be there? Mole 14:26, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • I agree with Mole :) --Spundun 07:55, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Anyone else? No? Then it's outta here! Mole 17:53, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think it's a mistake to say that Miranda is Carrie's best friend; Carrie is everyone's best friend but none of them are hers even though each thinks they are. Fran&Zoe 06:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

There should be articles about the principal characters. You know, Carrie Bradshaw, Samantha Jones, etc etc. Is anyone willing to start them? I'll build on them. Mike H 03:01, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)

This page still needs considerable POV and style work and cleaning up. Anyone up to the challenge? Onlyemarie 20:09, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

I think this page is pretty OK, POV wise, but a lot of plots and character information is a little off. I am fixing it for the past week or so. I have all 6 seasons. I also want to add memorable quotes from chaacters. Is there a explicit warning? I am concerned because most memorable quotes are pretty off color.--Bud001 09:48, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


I have decided to enlarge, clarify and start editing this page from top to bottom. I will be in progress for a week or so. --Bud

Still in progress.... We need some quotes, people. --Bud 18:09, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

http://www.sexandthecityquotes.com/ has a lot of great quotes to choose from, if anyone's into that.

Why has the criticism section been removed? I thought it provided a really good and balanced critique.

[edit] Theme song

Who wrote and performed that catchy theme song? Should be included. Searched but got nowhere...cda 14:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Groove Armada is the group who plays the indeed very catchy theme song. Sfufan2005 21:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
    • In my search I found that Groove Armada did a cover of the theme. I even went to their website and found nothing about sitc. Did they do the version that starts each show? (I know they are on a tribute cd for the show.) No mention of the theme song on the official sex/city site that I could find...cda 22:26, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
      • According to this Amazon page on the Sex & the City soundtrack, the theme is preformed by them. I doubt there'd be a cover version on a CD entitled Sex And The City: Music From The HBO Series. --Sterio 23:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Here is a quote from a review at amazon.com of Sex And The City: Music From The HBO Series [SOUNDTRACK] "Okay, this a great collection of sexy tunes to accompany your idea of SEX AND THE CITY. But are you ready for the bad news? The theme song is not on here -- it's a very slow remix by GROOVE ARMADA." So I still need the artists of the original theme. And is it on a cd?--cda 02:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

The theme song is "Don't You Worry 'Bout a Thing" by Stevie Wonder. ANON

The theme song is a virtual copy of a passage in the Phish song, "Punch You In the Eye," which predates "Sex and the City" by three years or so. The passage may be lifted from something earlier.ANON

Finally found my answer by carefully reading the credits: title theme by Douglas J. Cuomo.--cda 02:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Palady, pladie?

Can someone tell me what a palady is? They mention it multiple times in the show. It must be a New York thing? --None-of-the-Above 19:55, 24 September 2005 (UTC) Are you referring to Pilates??00:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)67.71.186.175

[edit] Why is Mr. Big called so ?

I can't seem to figure out why Mr. Big has that name. Does it refer, however not-so-surepticiously, to his endowment ?

I believe it was never explained. Mr. Big was Mr. Big from the first episode. He was also named the same way in the book, and possibly it alludes to the "big" influence that he has on Carrie's life. I highly doubt that the nickname refers to his endowment. --Bud 03:57, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe its established in the first episode as his statue within business circles. Samantha quoted as saying "his the next Donald Trump, only a lot more handsome". Mr. Big, as in Mr Big Shot, or something like that. Definately not to do with his size of endowment. Nighty5 11:39, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

I thought It might be because the first episodes, where he is first mentioned are quite heavily based on Carrie's column, and so she can not name him in print. Lazmac 22:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe Nighty5 is correct. I've also heard/read he's so named because he's a business "big shot" and not because it has anything to do with his physical endowments. PNW Raven 16:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

why isnt there any mention of mr.big in the article? i think he was a fairly important part of the show and should be mentioned.

[edit] "Fair Use"?

I count seven images in this article, all claiming some aspect of "fair use". I can understand the infobox image and the DVD cover, but I really don't see how the other five images can be justified under the fair use clause. I understand the value of images in articles (they are rather bland without them), but just can't see this as proper. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 07:15, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

  • The images are permissible because they simply don't replace the story - I count one promo pic, four screenshots, and two pictures of related products (look like catalogue pics). In my opinion, nothing in the publication of these images could diminish the value of the show itself, or of the products pictured, and all serve to inform as to its contents and influence in the least intrusive way (quite frankly, I think we could permissibly include a separate screenshot for every major and minor character on the show, and another for every episode - but that would just be garish). BD2412 T 18:14, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Fair Use isn't exactly the most well defined area of US law (or any country's law for that matter), so it may technically be a violations. However, I wouldn't worry about. If the copyright owners tell the Wiki Foundation to remove the images, they will be. It's not the user's concern past the well defined violations of fair use.

[edit] Episode Template

I've created a template for the episode information, Template:SATC_episode. I've already moved the information for the pilot episode into it. To use it just put

{{SATC episode
| image    = 
| name     = 
| season   = 
| ep_num   = 
| prod_num = 
| date     = 
| writer   = 
| director = 
| guest    = 
| prev     = 
| next     = 
}}

at the top of the episode page and fill out whatever fields you know (you still have to add brackets around things you want to be links). The name, season, ep_num, and date fields are required, everything else can be left blank. You don't need to put quotes around the episode name. Koweja 15:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, all of the episodes that currently have pages are in the template, though we need images for all of them except the pilot, finally, and the season 5 episode. Koweja 19:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Splitting the articles

Right now the article is enormous, and we could make at least three sections into sepearate articles:

  • Characters - I think we should keep the sections about the main four on this article, but make a seperate List of Sex and the City characters.
  • Episodes - There already is a List of Sex and the City episodes article, so I don't see why we need to duplicate it here. We could drop the tables and just have summaries of the main points of the season. All the table fields that are on this article are on the others, so it would just be a matter of filling in the blanks.. I think this section needs to be moved out the most, but it would require the most work.
  • Awards - Moving the awards section to Awards won by Sex and the City. I'm least interested in this option of the three since the section is near the bottom, but it would help reduce the length of the main article.

Thoughts? Koweja 19:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carrie's PowerBook

Some mention needs made of Carrie's PowerBook(s). It appears in nearly every episode, and plays a poignant role in the series finale(s). Also, it coincides with the rise of Apple Cool, as product placement. Hell, there was even an episode with TekServe. I think that its pop culture relevance, and its role as a 'character' deserves some mention.58.107.87.183 22:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carrie not owning a printer - Doh!

I'm debating whether to remove the statements about Carrie not owning a printer and not being able to email. This is one of those occasions where people who have grown up with early adoption of technology misunderstand the slower progression and adoption by the average person, even in trendy New York circles. I wish more young people would check out Jason Scott's BBS documentary to see what tech used to be like just a decade ago.

The writer added that her lack of a printer means we don't know how she submits her work for her column. Pretty simple actually. She puts it on a removable disk and turns it in. And this is not speculation. I did some bylines for a national magazine in the late 1990s - nothing like what Carrie wrote, though, it was a mag for kids - and they wanted a disk. A second hard copy was a plus, but they did not want email. Editors did not want you to attach anything via email for fear of viruses; many still don't. Writers and editors run the gamut; there are still people who don't own a computer or do all their drafts in longhand.

Also, the previous writer might not realize this, but Carrie struggling with her email might mean that she was switching to a POP service or format of email, rather than some form of groupware like Novell Groupwise, which was much more common among large companies. She could have groupware set up on her laptop. I knew professionals in this recent time period who thought they had "email" even though they were really on an intranet, and had no idea how to set up SMTP to email people outside the company. Noirdame 22:46, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree - as it stands, this seems overly long and too unrelated to her character. There is almost more discussion of the technological challenges of submitting her column (and the character's inconsistent financial situation) than there is of the actual character. It may be true that there is an inconsistency in the structure of the show - but it seems unnecessary to the description of her character. Maybe this should be taken out, or maybe it deserves a mention elsewhere? --38.112.184.20 19:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

yes this part is way too long and irrelevant. i think it should be taken out completely as it is such a minor detail.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.139.92 (talk)

Agreed, and removed. Here's what came out, preserved for repost on alt.nerd.obsessive or something:

In Season 4, it was revealed that Carrie had never before used email as she was having a hard time setting up an account to get in touch with Aidan. Carrie does not own a printer, so it's impossible to know how she submits her columns to the fictional New York Star. It has been suggested that she perhaps saves her columns on floppy disks and submits her work in this manner. Aidan also buys her a Zip drive in season 4 so that she can back up her work after her computer crashes. She is never seen in a library and does not mention printing out her work in hard copy.

I also included a hidden comment not to append further detail about Carrie's computer without discussing it here. — edgarde 04:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I realize this is sort of a moot discussion, but I wanted to add my two cents. Carrie uses Macs, which do NOT have floppy disk drives. It is unlikely she would have burned it to CD, either, since laptops aren't known for having CD-W drives. As a freelance writer, I can tell you that almost NO ONE wants a "hard" copy of an article these days. What she would have likely done is submitted a copy by attaching it to email. Macs have a Text Edit basic word processing tool, that allows you to save it as a Word document or something compatible with a Word reader. Macs also allow you to save documents (and other things) as PDF files, which is what I do and many of my editors have requested. For submission of work, a printer is so far beside the point as to be ridiculous. NickBurns 13:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] R2 and Korean shoe boxes

Do they contain all of the extras that the American version contains?

[edit] men?

there is so little mention of the men of the show in the article and the most important ones like aiden and big are not even mentioned. i think they deserve to be mentioned or maybe even have their own section since they were a fairly important part of the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.139.92 (talk)

Most of the character information was moved to Sex and the City characters, which does contain quite a bit of info on them. Koweja 14:05, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Brooklyn boosterism under Elitism and lack of diversity

I'd like to snip the following passage, which takes up 2/3 of Elitism and lack of diversity:

The show took place almost exclusively in Manhattan, often ignoring the 4 other boroughs in New York City (Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx, and Staten Island). On the few occasions when the other boroughs WERE mentioned, it was with disdain. Carrie and Miranda maligned Brooklyn in particular on several occasions during the show's run, although Miranda's husband Steve, convinces her to buy a townhouse in Brooklyn with their son Brady in the last season.

Does anyone object to my deleting this? It's off-topic, not much of a criticism, and the only citation given[1] is really more about other issues. / edgarde 02:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Gonged this. Keeping existing citation since it's pertinent to the section topic, but it's hardly adequate — site isn't too notable, and the article's main theme is that the show is not realistic.
What remains says it concisely, but could use more citations. / edgarde 22:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment about "Criticism" section moved from article

Criticisms? I just checked the pages on 'the Man Show' and MTV's "Jackass", guess what, no section heading of 'criticisms'. Obviously both of those shows had plenty of criticisms. I find it interesting that 'Sex in the City' has such a heading. It appears women having fun with and being in control of their own sexuality causes some people to be uncomfortable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.25.254 (talk)

Most popular TV shows could use a "Criticism" section. I'm not disagreeing about the asymmetry, but maybe that's a problem with the pages for Jackass and The Man Show rather than this article. / edgarde 18:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Many criticisms could be leveled against the show. The underlying (latent) content is, far from the liberation you seem to see it as, promoting traditional perceptions of women as shallow, materialistic, and ditsy. Maybe the criticism section doesn't belong here if other shows don't have it, but I think there are legitimate ones for Sex and the City. 64.231.242.142 16:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree totally -- they should stay. Although a big fan of the show, with every discussion my friends bring up the criticisms outlined (quite nicely) in this article, which I think are important to any socially relevant show that reaches a wide audience. It also makes this article worth reading and so much more than a show synopsys.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.147.38.10 (talk) 2007-03-09T23:07:49

Well said. I want to add for new editors that discussion with friends cannot be added to the article as it is considered original research. Any criticism added to the article needs to come from a notable source, and should have a proper citation. / edgarde 17:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Channels that Broadcast Reruns

Doesn't WGN also broadcast Sex and the City every week-day from 8PM-8:30PM? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.4.238.122 (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Fox and the CW do not air reruns of the show. Just because it may appear on a Fox or CW affiliate doesn't mean that it's a Fox or CW show. CW has only thirty hours of programming per week, and Sex and the City is not part of that block. 69.181.156.67 22:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes and cleanup

Did some moderate clean-up and editing here. Tried to clean up redundancies. Also reorganized the order of the article. I trimmed a lot of fat from the character synopses as well. NickBurns 21:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks good! / edgarde 23:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Characters

An earlier post considered a list of characters, as for the episodes. Might be useful. I came here by link from the Bridget Moynahan item, where she is listed as in this show, but I find nothing here to confirm that. --Dumarest 13:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Her character is Natasha, mentioned here: Sex and the City characters#Carrie.27s_boyfriends.
Perhaps you can wikilink that from the appropriate place in Bridget Moynahan. It wouldn't be practical to link every guest actor from the Sex and the City article. / edgarde 00:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

p://www.observer.com/2007/mr-office-space-meets-neil-labute

[edit] Candace Bushnell

There is no mention of the fact that this series was based on the novel by Candace Bushnell. I believe that is important to add. 12.215.237.249 22:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)annon

[edit] Frenemies

The term frenemies redirects here. Please explain it (or even mention the term) on this page, point the redirect somewhere correct, or remove the frenemies redirect all together. Thanks. mako (talk•contribs) 18:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

"Frenemies" was the name of a Sex and the City episode. It should probably be redirected to a season page. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 00:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
I have changed the redirect to point as closely to the episode entry as possible. Basar 01:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music Releases

'Sex and the City - Soundtrack [Import]' - Import? From/to where? Isn't the intention that Wikipedia be international? --Neo 14:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Fred Thompson

If anyone knows about the episode Fred Thompson 'sort of' appeared in, they're looking for you in the talk about Fred Thompson page. Apparently Fred said he didn't really appear on Sex in the City, because he was either on a televsion set on the set of Sex in the City, or something like that. Anyone who knows about either the episode itself, or even better, his financial and legal rights from said appearances could probably help.

Fred Thompson appeared tangentially in Season 3, Episode 2: "Politically Erect" (2000). Carrie is writing a column about her politician boyfriend while watching C-SPAN, and Thompson appears on the TV set giving a speech, as he was a Senator at the time. He was credited as "Fred Dalton Thompson.....Politician on TV"201.6.69.127 12:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Broadcasters

Removed most of this section.[2] Details about individual broadcasters change constantly, especially when the show is in international syndication, so this list can never be encyclopedic. Relevant policies:

Similar sections certainly can be found in other articles. Without addressing any specific article, these should probably all be removed as well.

This is being discussed in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/How to write about television programs. / edg ☺ ★ 00:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quotations

Can the quote farm be moved elsewhere, perhaps to WikiQuote, or an article page (if one exists) on the special from which these are taken? / edg ☺ ★ 16:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

DarkGhost89 07:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] where did the criticism go

Hey I thought there was a really good criticism section, which has now been taken out and replaced by a section on the postive reaction the show recieved. This was a really well written, interesting bit. Why was it removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.57.18 (talk) 12:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


I readded back in, there was no discussion or announcment. It annoys me so much that criticism and controversy is always on the verge of deletion in articles. In articles, there should be a place to talk about the negatives of what people think and noted. DarkGhost89 07:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Centralized TV Episode Discussion

Over the past months, TV episodes have been redirected by (to name a couple) TTN, Eusebeus and others. No centralized discussion has taken place, so I'm asking everyone who has been involved in this issue to voice their opinions here in this centralized spot, be they pro or anti. Discussion is here [3]. Even if you have not, other opinions are needed because this issue is affecting all TV episodes in Wikipedia. --Maniwar (talk) 03:00, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Low expectations

In case someone wants to source skepticism about the impending release, or general disses of the show. / edg ☺ ☭ 19:52, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Balzac Age

Russian title: Balzakovskiy vozrast

  • Sex And The City Gets Russian Make-over. Contactmusic.com (2004-05-28). Retrieved on 2008-03-23. “After the resounding success of Sex and the City throughout Russia, it became clear that our fellow countrywomen's search for true love and their funny dialogue are closer and dearer to viewers than those of their prototypes overseas.”

According to IMDB, at least 33 episodes were made. / edg ☺ ☭ 20:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sitcom

It was considered a sitcom, but had serialized story lines as well as dramatic elements.

Sitcoms can't have serialized story lines? Rojomoke (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opening Credits

The twin towers were never replaced with the Empire State Building on the opening theme after 9/11, they kept them there on purpose.